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Post by ayus on May 23, 2023 21:03:10 GMT
Hi is it possible to upgrade the current running bodhi 6.0.0 with the new version. If so how?
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Post by ylee on May 23, 2023 23:52:02 GMT
It is possible but it is rather difficult for the average user and we do not recommend it. We always recommend a fresh clean install. That is even what I do.
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Post by ayus on May 24, 2023 3:46:58 GMT
The problem is i have a good old laptop (second hand, from some like 10-15 years back) and idk whats the problem with it it doesn't boot from any regular pendrive like sandisk cruzer blade if i burn the iso with rufus/belenaetcher but it seems to work fine with drivedroid (on cdrom mode, since my phone was rooted) so i was able to install bodhi linux with drivedroid, I was bout to throw this laptop in the dustbin but then i tried bodhi linux as a last piece of hope (bcz windows 7 on this shit was too lagggy to use) and it seems to work great bcz most of the linux distros was having some issues while installing (except puppy linux which didn't have much app support)
Now my question is is there something i am doing wrong with the usb booting thing cuz whenever i open the boot menu and try to boot from the usb it just keep on showing a blinking cursor at the top left corner. I am a student and currently have no money to buy a new laptop. Since my old phone is no more i can't use drivedroid and i am not ready to void the warranty of my new phone by rooting it, is there any other possibilities left for me ?
Anyways thanks to bodhi linux this damn useless laptop helped me do a lot of things meanwhile like filling application forms for college, create presentation for my college, pay college fees and lot more...(atleast i could run this laptop and make some good use of it)
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Post by enigma9o7 on May 24, 2023 4:27:52 GMT
On some old computers (including mine) it is important how you write the iso to usb. When using rufus for windows, after you tell it go, there is a popup where it tells you it's using hybrid mode, but if it doesnt work, to try dd mode. Do that!!  (Or if using linux to write it, use dd from command line.)
Another alternative is to format your usb drive with ventoy, and copy the bodhi iso over to it.
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Post by xpistian on May 24, 2023 17:57:26 GMT
The problem is i have a good old laptop (second hand, from some like 10-15 years back) and idk whats the problem with it it doesn't boot from any regular pendrive like sandisk cruzer blade if i burn the iso with rufus/belenaetcher but it seems to work fine with drivedroid (on cdrom mode, since my phone was rooted) so i was able to install bodhi linux with drivedroid, I was bout to throw this laptop in the dustbin but then i tried bodhi linux as a last piece of hope (bcz windows 7 on this shit was too lagggy to use) and it seems to work great bcz most of the linux distros was having some issues while installing (except puppy linux which didn't have much app support) Now my question is is there something i am doing wrong with the usb booting thing cuz whenever i open the boot menu and try to boot from the usb it just keep on showing a blinking cursor at the top left corner. I am a student and currently have no money to buy a new laptop. Since my old phone is no more i can't use drivedroid and i am not ready to void the warranty of my new phone by rooting it, is there any other possibilities left for me ? Anyways thanks to bodhi linux this damn useless laptop helped me do a lot of things meanwhile like filling application forms for college, create presentation for my college, pay college fees and lot more...(atleast i could run this laptop and make some good use of it) Does the computer have a CD drive? Can't you burn a disk the old fashioned way? |
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Post by ayus on May 26, 2023 14:25:41 GMT
enigma9o7 i tried all those before it didn't worked i think this laptop doesn't support usb booting in case of drivedroid too it didn't work with flash drive mode only cdrom mode worked
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Post by ayus on May 26, 2023 14:28:55 GMT
xpistian that's a good idea yes it does have a cd drive but thing is i dont have a cd even if i go to buy one i am afraid whether it will work on linux or not. Plus i don't know which cd to use, will [this one](https://ltonlinestore.com/HP-BD-R-6X-25GB-Blu-Ray-Single-Pack-p551954008) work
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Post by enigma9o7 on May 26, 2023 15:33:46 GMT
That is a blank blu-ray disc. You would need a bd writer which is unlikely you have. But Bodhi will fit on a DVD, so what you want is DVD-R or DVD-RW: but look on your drive first make sure it has a DVD-R logo, if it's only CD it isn't big enough for bodhi.
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Post by ayus on May 27, 2023 4:33:21 GMT
That is a blank blu-ray disc. You would need a bd writer which is unlikely you have. But Bodhi will fit on a DVD, so what you want is DVD-R or DVD-RW: but look on your drive first make sure it has a DVD-R logo, if it's only CD it isn't big enough for bodhi. I don't have much trust on this laptop spending money for it is worthless, there is no guarantee whether it will work or not plus the cd drive is very old with lots of dirt on it (it is second hand never used the cd drive till today after buying it) bodhi 6.0.0 is working fine on it all i wanted to upgrade if it was possible. I even tried unetbootin but although the boot menu will show up as I click on the operating system it always shows some error. |
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Post by xpistian on May 27, 2023 9:35:22 GMT
That is a blank blu-ray disc. You would need a bd writer which is unlikely you have. But Bodhi will fit on a DVD, so what you want is DVD-R or DVD-RW: but look on your drive first make sure it has a DVD-R logo, if it's only CD it isn't big enough for bodhi. I don't have much trust on this laptop spending money for it is worthless, there is no guarantee whether it will work or not plus the cd drive is very old with lots of dirt on it (it is second hand never used the cd drive till today after buying it) bodhi 6.0.0 is working fine on it all i wanted to upgrade if it was possible. I even tried unetbootin but although the boot menu will show up as I click on the operating system it always shows some error. I see, that's indeed a problem. Do you have an option in the laptop's bios to switch the boot mode from legacy/bios to UEFI? Playing around with this might work.
What laptop is it exactly? (brand, model)
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Post by ayus on May 27, 2023 12:37:54 GMT
This laptop is Wipro WIVNB7B1600 (probably a government laptop) this is super old laptop i doubt whether you will find a single information about it on google 😂
yes the bios has something as "USB BIOS Legacy Support" it uses phoenixbios setup utility v1.9
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Post by xpistian on May 27, 2023 13:48:25 GMT
This laptop is Wipro WIVNB7B1600 (probably a government laptop) this is super old laptop i doubt whether you will find a single information about it on google 😂 yes the bios has something as "USB BIOS Legacy Support" it uses phoenixbios setup utility v1.9 Try that USB BIOS Legacy setting. Or, if that was on, switch it to UEFI. |
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Post by ylee on Jun 1, 2023 14:50:25 GMT
... In the alpha thread, I mentioned how although I recommend (and personally use) the nvidia-legacy and mozilla-team PPAs, I was more suggesting mirroring the packages in bodhi repo than including a PPA by default. Now I see this awesome web browser installation tool sets up PPAs automatically! That is really really cool! So suggestion is, move the mozillateam ppa installation over to that tool, instead of as a default source.
As to nvidia legacy, since only a very small percentage of users use it, I really don't think everyone should have to see that every time they update, so I still think it'd be best to mirror nvidia-340 packages in bodhi repo (and monitor the PPA for updates), but if that's no doable, I'm undecided on if I think including it by default is better than leaving it. If people with old nvidia gpu (like two of my computers) run into issues with buggy nouveau driver causing random lockups, it certainly is useful tho.
... There are 47 deb files or so on the nvidia-legacy PPA and 99 deb files on the mozilla-team PPA ignoring firefox-esr and thunderbird. I am not willing to add all that to our repo and then deal with updating the deb files on a regular basis. Firefox has so many because of the local packages (Language support). |
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Post by slondat on Jun 1, 2023 17:28:56 GMT
I installed beta 22.04 and turned it into 23.04))) It works fine.  |
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Post by enigma9o7 on Jun 2, 2023 23:30:04 GMT
... In the alpha thread, I mentioned how although I recommend (and personally use) the nvidia-legacy and mozilla-team PPAs, I was more suggesting mirroring the packages in bodhi repo than including a PPA by default. Now I see this awesome web browser installation tool sets up PPAs automatically! That is really really cool! So suggestion is, move the mozillateam ppa installation over to that tool, instead of as a default source. As to nvidia legacy, since only a very small percentage of users use it, I really don't think everyone should have to see that every time they update, so I still think it'd be best to mirror nvidia-340 packages in bodhi repo (and monitor the PPA for updates), but if that's no doable, I'm undecided on if I think including it by default is better than leaving it. If people with old nvidia gpu (like two of my computers) run into issues with buggy nouveau driver causing random lockups, it certainly is useful tho.
... There are 47 deb files or so on the nvidia-legacy PPA and 99 deb files on the mozilla-team PPA ignoring firefox-esr and thunderbird. I am not willing to add all that to our repo and then deal with updating the deb files on a regular basis. Firefox has so many because of the local packages (Language support).
The firefox PPA installation (and removal) could be controlled by the web browser manager; it already adds and removes PPAs for things like google chome and vivladi so no reason it shouldn't do so for firefox also.
But I think I understand the other one, the nvidia legacy stuff isn't just the one nvidia-340 package, its also lots of dependencies, which would be lots of work to repackage and sign for bodhi. And right now it only supports up to kernel 5.17 and hasn't been updated in a year; hopefully sometime soon kelebek adds the patches for the newer kernels (which are already packaged for debian sid and in the AUR, etc), which would mean if in our repo bodhi would have to do it all again when he gets around to that (assuming he's still alive), so completely understand.
So the options are to keep including the nvidia legacy PPA by default, or not include it at all and let people who have old nvidia gpus deal with nouveau or install ppa on their own. Honestly, if it were up to me, even tho I know Bodhi is popular with people using old hardware and I myself use it, I wouldn't include the PPA by default, but I'd make sure there is a wiki article about how to use the ppa... in fact I could write that, maybe compare nvidia-340 to nouveau, lmk. But of course if you would rather include it, I'll still be happy enough, I just think it looks messy, and adds a tiny bit of insecurity (since in theory whoever controls that PPA could add a newer version of any base package and overwrite bodhi's version).
I'm about to write longer email summary of all my bodhi 7 beta thoughts/observations....
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(Or if using linux to write it, use dd from command line.)