mimi
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Post by mimi on Apr 30, 2021 15:21:21 GMT
ylee Referring to our above exchange, I reinstalled Bodhi6: this time it installed successfully to sda1 (instead of using sda4 which didn't seem to work), with LXLE remaining on sda2 and still in charge of boot. I didn't need the ubiquity -d you mentioned, to do this. However, it only boots successfully to the desktop if I select booting in recovery mode from the grubscreen. If I boot normally I end up with a blank screen, with the cursor flashing endlessly in the top left corner of the monitor. Despite the booting problem above, I'm totally amazed at how little RAM it's consuming, when idling - only around 180MB out of 4GB installed RAM for this 14-year-old 2GHZ dual-core machine. At first I didn't believe it, and had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming! Lastly, is there a default firewall you use with Bodhi6? I notice that ufw isn't pre-installed.
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Post by R0bur on Apr 30, 2021 16:33:06 GMT
It seems that "thunar-volman" package is missed in the BL60-RC distribution, because Thunar menu item doesn't work:
Edit - Preferences...-[Advanced]-_Configure_
Failed to display the volume management settings. Failed to execute child process "thunar-volman" (No such file or directory)
The command "apt install thunar-volume" solves this issue.
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Post by R0bur on Apr 30, 2021 16:52:13 GMT
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Post by ylee on Apr 30, 2021 18:57:08 GMT
ylee Referring to our above exchange, I reinstalled Bodhi6: this time it installed successfully to sda1 (instead of using sda4 which didn't seem to work), with LXLE remaining on sda2 and still in charge of boot. I didn't need the ubiquity -d you mentioned, to do this. However, it only boots successfully to the desktop if I select booting in recovery mode from the grubscreen. If I boot normally I end up with a blank screen, with the cursor flashing endlessly in the top left corner of the monitor. Despite the booting problem above, I'm totally amazed at how little RAM it's consuming, when idling - only around 180MB out of 4GB installed RAM for this 14-year-old 2GHZ dual-core machine. At first I didn't believe it, and had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming! Lastly, is there a default firewall you use with Bodhi6? I notice that ufw isn't pre-installed. Glad ya manged to get it installed even tho it has a weird grub/boot issue. Ok on default firewall ubuntu and bodhi use iptables. Ufw is a program for managing the iptables firewall more easily. Install it if you are more comfortable using it. Bodhi does not preinstall alot of GUI tools for basic things one can do with cli tools or editing config files. EDIT: for the record here ufw is a cli tool while gufw is the GUI wrapper for it. Both of these simply working with iptables altho you are limited some in what you can do.Yeah Bodhi does not use much memory. You can actually even make that number smaller by unloading some of the modules. As to the booting issue perhaps you should try booting into LXLE if it is still in charge of booting as you say and run sudo update-grub. If that does not resolve the issue post another post in support about the problem. Sounds like something is wrong with your grub config or something.
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Post by ylee on Apr 30, 2021 19:02:46 GMT
It seems that "thunar-volman" package is missed in the BL60-RC distribution, because Thunar menu item doesn't work: Edit - Preferences...-[Advanced]-_Configure_ Failed to display the volume management settings. Failed to execute child process "thunar-volman" (No such file or directory) The command "apt install thunar-volume" solves this issue. Yeah I can throw that package in the final release. Thunar has several plugins I am installing by default. Trying to keep it as low as possible. I had considered that but it is not really necessary. I don't even use desklock myself. How to do that is now documented and at some point I will place it on on wiki.
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Post by kiezel on Apr 30, 2021 22:02:41 GMT
Ok on default firewall ubuntu and bodhi use iptables. Ufw is a program for managing the iptables firewall more easily. Install it if you are more comfortable using it. Bodhi does not preinstall alot of GUI tools for basic things one can do with cli tools or editing config files. Perhaps a middle ground can be found? ufw is strictly a cli app, whereas gufw serves as its graphical UI. But ufw is so easy and simple to operate in the terminal, that in my opinion gufw is entirely superfluous. Mint ships with gufw by default, but then that's a "bells and whistles" distro.... Having ufw in the default Bodhi installation would be good for security, I think. So personally I'd welcome that, provided that the iso size wouldn't become too big, of course. By the way: you've made somebody on the Mint forum very happy with your patched Leafpad: forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2009481#p2009481
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 30, 2021 22:35:08 GMT
For the record, I've never installed ufw in all the years I've used bodhi. So doesnt seem like something everyone uses. And Bodhi typically only includes things that are required for moksha functionality or everybody needs, allowing you to install whatever extras you like. For example Bodhi standard doesnt even include printing support, you have to add that. And I bet around half of bodhi users eventually install that. But no need to include it because it's not needed by everyone, there are certainly some people who will never print from bodhi so don't need that overhead.
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Post by kiezel on May 1, 2021 8:42:10 GMT
For the record, I've never installed ufw in all the years I've used bodhi. So doesnt seem like something everyone uses. Well, of course you don't need a firewall in your OS when connected to your own network, if the router of your network already has its own active firewall. One blockade suffices. But in almost all other situations you do. Especially public WiFi networks are risky. So the use case for an active firewall is pretty widespread. In those cases Uncomplicated Firewall (ufw) offers an extremely simple solution: sudo ufw enable ufw has a sensible set of default settings (profile), which are fine for the vast majority of home users. There are smart exceptions in the default ufw settings (rules), which should ensure that the firewall is never in the way of normal average use. For example, with the default profile the use of Samba should be no problem. Also downloading torrents (fetch) should be possible; but seeding torrents (serve), might require a temporal disabling of ufw: sudo ufw disable Of course one can install ufw after installation of Bodhi, but it would underline its importance if it would be present by default. And it's less than 1 MB (846 kB) anyway, so it doesn't weigh Bodhi down....
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Post by ylee on May 1, 2021 13:40:07 GMT
A lot of talk here about Uncomplicated Firewall (ufw). And a recent post showing some degree of confusion about the whole firewall issue. It was installed by default on BL 5.1. I have not checked other past releases, as it is really not relevant. Bodhi's package list has varied somewhat between releases. But I see no harm in including it in BL6 by default. It is not enabled by default so I do not think there will be any change in resources used at first boot. You are of course free to uninstall it.
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Post by kiezel on May 1, 2021 15:35:33 GMT
I see no harm in including it in BL6 by default. It is not enabled by default so I do not think there will be any change in resources used at first boot. You are of course free to uninstall it. Nice! Some more nifty ufw commands: Completely disable its useless spammy log (nobody ever reads that anyway): sudo ufw logging off Check whether the firewall is active or inactive: sudo ufw status .... and my personal favourite, check what it does when active with more details: sudo ufw status verbose
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Post by oblio on May 1, 2021 16:01:48 GMT
I'm curious if any of the information regarding ufw would be helpful for others if posted within the how-to section of the forum?
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Post by R0bur on May 1, 2021 16:21:56 GMT
Speaking of lightness: does Bodhi really need build-essential tools: gcc compiler etc?
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Post by ylee on May 1, 2021 16:51:23 GMT
Speaking of lightness: does Bodhi really need build-essential tools: gcc compiler etc? There was a lot of whining about the lack of build-essential by a user on one of our releases. If my memory serves me right they lacked wifi and had to compile something to make it work. Did not have ethernet and no way to install build-essential other than some how get the needed deb files on a usb drive and install that way. I have just been installing since then. It is something I certainly need myself and would install if not present anyway. I could just put it on the ISO's repo, it has a cd repo on it with a few packages ppl might need. It does add some to the ISO size and hard drive space needed. Whether it is an essential tool or not depends on your needs and usage. I have no good reason to remove it tho.
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Post by ylee on May 1, 2021 16:54:55 GMT
I'm curious if any of the information regarding ufw would be helpful for others if posted within the how-to section of the forum? I would like it added there and perhaps add some stuff to the wiki about security. See also my recent post here.
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Post by R0bur on May 1, 2021 17:30:11 GMT
Speaking of lightness: does Bodhi really need build-essential tools: gcc compiler etc? I have no good reason to remove it tho. I agree with your arguments. Moreover, BL 5.0 was for me a preferred build platform for ARM because it contains u-boot-tools out of box. ;-) Thank you.
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