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Post by ylee on Apr 3, 2021 22:58:14 GMT
NOTE: I have updated the ISO and its location, (2021-04-05)
At long last, I am thrilled to announce the release of bodhi-6.0.0-64-beta. It has taken longer than anticipated but we have incorporated a large number of tweaks and improvements. I was still making last minutes changes to moksha and the ISO profile this morning. I could easily spend another two weeks or more making changes, but we all feel the community deserves a release soon. A special thanks to Štefan for all his work on last minute moksha and theme changes and too those in the Discord channel to installed several past versions of this ISO and offered suggestions or pointed out issues. Also thanks for some the recent community work on updating translations, all such work up to today has been incorporated into the ISO  While this ISO should be fully usable without any major issues, it is intended for testing purposes. If all is ok next week I will release rc release and include an enlightenment 24 version as well as a moksha version. Please report any issues or possible improvements to these ISOs here. But try to keep things on topic this time and only post about issues with the ISO or the installation. Moksha, theme, or application issues are a separate matter and should be posted elsewhere. A few things to note about this release are: - It is built on top of Ubuntu 20.04-02, server mini-iso to be exact.
- VirtualBox guest additions are not preinstalled so install them if you need them. Just note aRandr works in a VirtualBox VM.
- Chromium is the installed Web Browser.
- PcManFm has been replaced with Thunar
- Thunar has been custom patched for Bodhi to support setting the wallpaper from an image.
- Apturl not longer uses apturl-elm but is instead a custom script I created and uses pkexec.
- The release notes link in the installer works now, but as yet not much is on the web-page. I will update that page in the next few days.
- Installing via snaps is disabled. To enable, remove the file /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref
- If you installed the last ISO you may want to consider deleting the unneeded swap file /swap.img
I am not going to not mention a few things I would prefer to improve and hope to by the rc release. Thanks and enjoy EDIT: Work continues in more refinements of this ISO. Therefore I have uploaded a new ISO and updated the link on this post. Since SourceForge is usually somewhat slow, you will probably have better results using wget: wget https://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/bodhidev/6.0.0-beta/bodhi-6.0.0-64-beta.iso |
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Post by cooler on Apr 4, 2021 5:42:39 GMT
Hurray! Ylee do you send messages to distrowatch about new releases or do they check for themselves? I think you meant RC instead of alpha release on your last long sentence. I know you don't care much about distrowatch but it is one good way for a stream of new users.
Are there more users preferring Chromium vs Firefox or was it a size-based decision?
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Post by zaivala23 on Apr 4, 2021 6:51:53 GMT
I have this installed on my System76 Kudu 3 and my HP Z400 Workstation. Went in smooth as butter.
Two suggestions: Switch from Ubiquity to Calamares installer, and you should have the default time zone Eastern US... about twice as many people live in that time zone.
Looks great!
Oh, a third very tiny suggestion. Bodhi 5.1 repo included a different line of Kmines than 6 does, and you can't save your times in the one that comes with 6. I haven't been able to get any answers why different distros include different branches or even what those branches are and how to install the "other" one, but that's a game I play a lot of.
Great job!
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 4, 2021 7:35:18 GMT
As to FF vs Chromium and some reasons why that decision was made: I would prefer Firefox also, but sadly the way Ubuntu has it packaged it is next to impossible for me to customize the way I want. They include scripts in the deb file that undo any personal customizations a distro or admin might make to it. Personally I think that is a dirty trick. Linux Mint has pulled it off by running a systemd service that preserves their changes every time FF gets an update. I thought that was a bit more effort than it is worth to me and chromium is very easy to modify with Bodhi customizations. Additionally it's kinda cool that ylee is packaging chromium for bodhi, as mainstream Ubuntu is no longer doing so (opting to install as a snap package, even when user tries to install with apt - www.zdnet.com/article/linux-mint-introduces-its-own-take-on-the-chromium-web-browser for background if you're interested.) I checked out distrowatch and see they have somewhere to upload torrents, but not sure how to get access, requires username and password. It's probably worth waiting for the RC if it's only a week away before sharing places like that anyway, let all the regular users double check everything first  |
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 4, 2021 7:48:02 GMT
I have this installed on my System76 Kudu 3 and my HP Z400 Workstation. Went in smooth as butter. Two suggestions: Switch from Ubiquity to Calamares installer, and you should have the default time zone Eastern US... about twice as many people live in that time zone. Looks great! Oh, a third very tiny suggestion. Bodhi 5.1 repo included a different line of Kmines than 6 does, and you can't save your times in the one that comes with 6. I haven't been able to get any answers why different distros include different branches or even what those branches are and how to install the "other" one, but that's a game I play a lot of. Great job! The default time zone appeared to be eastern US already, coincidentally enough. I'm on west coast us (pacific time), and live shows three hours later than my real time, until I run the installer and select a time zone, at which time then it updates to correct time... On earlier test ISOs I was at first confused as to what time that was, cuz it wasn't picking up my system time or displaying UTC , but I bet ylee leaves in set for EST and that explains it!
As to why different distros have different packages, well that's cuz if every distro provided the exact same versions of the exact same thing then there wouldn't be anything different between distros and there would be no need to upgrade to a new version. When a distro decides to package software for use with their distro, they make decide to start with a current version or recent stable version, then sometimes customize it a bit, and make it work for them. Some distros are based on other distros and rely on them for the majority of packaging. Ubuntu is one of those, it gets a lot of stuff from debian, but also customizes a lot of stuff too. Bodhi customizes a few things, but mainly depends on what's provided by Ubuntu. Most distributions do this in some form or another, thats the main reason so many distros use a a debian or redhat base is because those distributions have hundreds of package maintainers. The maintainer of the package is listed in the package details (i.e. apt show packagename) but for something that begins with K, odds are that's written, maintained, and packaged by a KDE team. KDE makes a desktop (Plasma) and a bunch of apps themselves, but their distro (Neon) is based on Ubuntu, just like Bodhi. You may want to check out something like flathub for versions of apps you can run on multiple distros and linux versions that are not and cannot be customized for a particular distribution. You mentioned some other related question you couldn't get answered, if you haven't asked them here maybe start a new thread for that (or bump old thread if you asked already)...
Maybe give gnome-mines a try? It only took 5MB to install, as opposed to 250MB for kmines edit: It is fixed in newer versions (i.e. kde neon) but that doesnt help with focal repo if they dont update that for us. You can still use the bionic version tho kmines_17.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb but if you happen to be on a low memory system and like the gnome version just as well, it uses ~245MB less memory to run and ~245MB less space to install...  |
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Post by michaelxxl on Apr 4, 2021 14:55:03 GMT
opting to install as a snap package I mean, is it me or is snap total bullshit? Install something with snap and type df are you f.. kiddding? |
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Post by ylee on Apr 4, 2021 16:54:24 GMT
... I mean, is it me or is snap total bullshit? Install something with snap and type df are you f.. kiddding? Snaps are disabled by default on this iso. I added that to the notes above to make it clear to all. |
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Post by beardyboy40 on Apr 4, 2021 18:06:19 GMT
Looking good!
You might already know about this ylee, but I did notice that there are config files in the hidden home folders for midori and geany - presumably just left behind from testing.
Thanks for all your hard work
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Post by kiezel on Apr 4, 2021 18:47:04 GMT
Great news! Thanks for your work. My preliminary bug report / feature requests: 1. In the live session, the ubiquity menu item is now in Applications - Preferences. One or even two steps up in the menu tree would be better, I think. That would probably make it easier to find. 2. Ubiquity reports that it needs at least 14.8 GB disk space for installing. That looks like too much for a minimalist distro.... More to follow after I've done some testing.
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- I've corrected two small errors in the Dutch Moksha translations. See GitHub.
- The revised mintupdate (gm10 edition) has disappeared from the Bodhi repo.... Are there any plans on bringing it back? Personally, I certainly miss it. It's a very cool and useful tool for managing updates and kernels.
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Post by cooler on Apr 4, 2021 20:40:36 GMT
First try with the Live 6.0 beta revealed a really nice design and more visual modifications than expected. Congrats.. It looks modern and elegant.
A couple of observations:
- excellent idea for a frugal base Ubuntu 20.04-02, server mini-iso
- I somehwow discovered a bug ?! with the evisum.. launching mem then closing evisum and then closing the mem window.. after restarting evisum the mem window is no longer visible.. not 6.0 beta related
- interesting inclusion of batch rename all (or something like that) option.. what would be its purpose?
- good choice for the search service (duckduck go) in Chromium.. but definetly not going to use Chromium
Anyway I like the looks of it... might be installing it in the near future on my main laptop (running now 5.1.0)
Cheers!
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Post by ylee on Apr 4, 2021 20:42:44 GMT
Looking good! You might already know about this ylee, but I did notice that there are config files in the hidden home folders for midori and geany - presumably just left behind from testing. Thanks for all your hard work First of all thanks for the praise and for reporting these hidden configuration folders. Nothing in my home folder ends up on the ISO or installed system. However, files and folders in /root can end up on the ISO and installed system, but I am trying to avoid that. Now the system its self may put some stuff in /root such as .bashrc, I just want to avoid my bash history being there and other such unless files and remnants from constructing the ISO process. The hidden configuration folders for midori and geany are there by design however. They are provided by the bodhi-skel package. The midori conf file enables bodhi's custom search in midori. And the geany config file forces the initial size of a geany window on first opening to keep it onscreen for systems with small resolutions. Naturally both of these folders can be deleted if you don't ever install midori or geany or care about the custom configuration. Several distos I have looked at include many such configurations in their version of a skel package, including customizing software not installed by default. Several attempt to configure all the common web browsers, a bit more work than I want to do. As to apps or dialogs being too large for small resolutions, I can not provide config files for all possible apps a user may install. Nor are all apps easily customized in that fashion. Moksha allows most windows to be resized via easily accessible bindings. So many apps these days assume you have a decent screen resolution, so there is not much I can do about that assumption. Unfortunately that currently includes evisum, and for that reason and other reasons evisum may not make it to the final list of default applications. |
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Post by rrashkin on Apr 4, 2021 21:17:50 GMT
I just loaded BL6 on a Gateway 2in1. I had been reluctant to install Bodhi on this platform since the touchpad isn’t recognized by this kernel. I guess I was hoping somehow the actual beta release would have resolved that issue. Alas, this did not happen. Anyway, I decided to go ahead with the installation and just use a wireless mouse that my wife had surplussed. I still hope that some future kernel will restore my touchpad but meanwhile I can live with the mouse. Curiously, when I plugged in the wireless “dongle” the touchscreen stopped working (it had been before). Great job on this release. All hail Bodhi. imgur.com/DlBZyhYJust a quick update to my earlier post, this morning, after a full shutdown overnight, both the touchpad and the touch screen are working. Upon reflection, I may have only rebooted yesterday and, once again I learned that some system issues require a FULL POWER OFF. So my Gateway 2in1 is fully functional with BL 6. |
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Post by ylee on Apr 4, 2021 21:57:55 GMT
Hurray! Ylee do you send messages to distrowatch about new releases or do they check for themselves? ... Are there more users preferring Chromium vs Firefox or was it a size-based decision?
I am not in any contact with distrowatch. But lets wait until I have an official release or at the very least an rc release. As to Chromium, i actually think FF is maybe slimmer. The choice was motivated by the fact the way ubuntu packages and patches FF has made it difficult for a distro to customize it. Linux mint has a systemd service that makes sure a new version of ubuntus FF does not bork their customizations. I decide that was a bit too much work. Chromium was easy to customize. I considered many browsers and Chromium was the best meeting what I required for Bodhi. ... Two suggestions: Switch from Ubiquity to Calamares installer, and you should have the default time zone Eastern US... about twice as many people live in that time zone. Looks great! Oh, a third very tiny suggestion. Bodhi 5.1 repo included a different line of Kmines than 6 does, and you can't save your times in the one that comes with 6.... A bit late in the game for me to switch Installers (Ubiquity to Calamare). Current on the ISO the time zone is set to my time zone, Eastern US. Ubiquity the installer tries to use geoclue and then should default to the system timezone in that list of choices it presents you with. Geoclue is not installed in this ISO but will be next time, so Ubiquity will be able to better guess your current Timezone. Provided of course you have internet access. Ubuntu has set the timezone on its installer to URC and I think next ISO that is what I will also do. I had considering adding some code to set the time zone using the internet for moksha on the ISO but have decided it is not worth the time and effort at this late of a stage. Considering not even Ubuntu does that I see no need to go the extra mile for a bit more polish. The issue on Kmines is unrelated start a thread on it and maybe some one can help or I can look it over when I have time. |
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 4, 2021 22:18:37 GMT
A suggestion for anyone installing this under Virtualbox. There is a system option that says use EFI that is not checked by default. I have found BL6 boots/reboots much faster with that enabled, plus it defaults to higher 1024x768 instead of 800x600. (Of course in either case you can use monitor settings after moksha starts, or install virtualbox guest extensions to be able to arbitrarily resize).
If you're installing packages, I found enabling host i/o cache for sata controller speeds up disk access, especially if it ever updates kernel.
Also while I'm mentioning virtualbox suggestions. For video, I bump up the video memory to 128MB and enable 3D acceleration. This has good and bad effects, one bad being, the VMWare SVGA driver only provides up to OpenGL 2.1 when accelerated, so even if your native machine supports 3.3, apps that require 3.3 (i.e. blender) wont work. On the other hand, without acceleration enabled, that same driver provides software emulation reporting OpenGL 4.5, which for me is newer than my hardware supports, but dont try actually playing 3D game or HD video in such case (at least on old machine like mine) or it'll be extremely slow or choppy.
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Post by filou on Apr 5, 2021 10:33:23 GMT
First of all congrats with the new Beta, job well done. On the live iso i ran in to minor problems: i have no wifi icon ,and so no way to pick a wireless network but my own, and that only if i fill it out manually in advanced network configuration. Though i strongly prefer firefox ,and i liked the Bodhi alpha version of evisum better( and yes there seems to be a bug in evisum) i am very impressed again with how lightweight the distro is and with the speed of Bodhi beta 6.00. Congratulations once again.
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