kiezel
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Post by kiezel on Apr 11, 2021 10:21:30 GMT
One minor thing: you might want to consider replacing Leafpad, e.g. by Mousepad. Leafpad was dropped from Ubuntu (and from Debian as well, it seems) because of this serious issue: bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913765Mousepad might be a good replacement, because it's well maintained, lightweight and should fit in nicely alongside Bodhi 6's default file manager Thunar (both are part of the Xfce project). |
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 11, 2021 16:34:05 GMT
One minor thing: you might want to consider replacing Leafpad, e.g. by Mousepad. Leafpad was dropped from Ubuntu (and from Debian as well, it seems) because of this serious issue: bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913765Mousepad might be a good replacement, because it's well maintained, lightweight and should fit in nicely alongside Bodhi 6's default file manager Thunar (both are part of the Xfce project). I just looked on that link and didnt see any serious issue? They mention its not maintained and has a bug that can loose data and does not use gtk3. Those all seem like minor issues to me. Yeah, it isnt maintained, but it has worked fine for the past 10 years since it was actively maintained, so still works. It's never caused data loss for me, any other Bodhi users have it not behave 100% rock solid all the time? And gtk3 well I dunno if thats important or not, but mousepad and leafpad both require libgtk2 and it's still available from upstream debian and ubuntu.
Perhaps debian has a plan to update every package to to no longer require gtk2, and dont want to go to the effort for an editor not used by any desktop environment or maintained by anyone/etc (even debian bullseye LXDE uses mousepad, that's actually where I first discovered it myself). But if we do need a replacement, mousepad seems fine to me, its a leafpad fork anyway seems the same to me, they forked to add printer support but leafpad has that now. I use it on my debian bullseye computer because as your link mentions, debian has removed it in current vesions (as has ubuntu). ylee builds and packages the one in bodhi 6 repo. The only reasons I prefer leafpad over mousepad is cuz leafpad is a little smaller, and has a cool leaf icon  But if there is actually any issue with leafpad, or if ylee doesnt want to keep maintaining it for Bodhi, then sure, mousepad is fine in my opinion too. |
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Post by cooler on Apr 11, 2021 16:47:21 GMT
Well.. I don't use any of the 2 but (bodhi) leafpad sounds better than bodhi mousepad. What are their advantages compared to epad? I use the Doublecommander viewer or Internal editor in case someone was curious  |
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Post by vadim on Apr 11, 2021 16:52:01 GMT
In case I have 5.1 installed, how can I perform an upgrade to 6.0 (beta)? I guess I should update repository locations for 6.0, but I only saw ISO link in this thread.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 11, 2021 16:58:01 GMT
(bodhi) leafpad sounds better than bodhi mousepad. What are their advantages compared to epad? The advantage of mousepad is, its upstream maintained, part of xfce project, so well maintained, practically no effort for Bodhi to support unless they do something weird. The advantages (I know of) of leafpad are, lighter/smaller/faster, and cool icon, it's what was in bodhi 5 and no problems, why fix what aint broken? epad would also have to be built from source and maintined by bodhi. I remember we had it long time ago, maybe 4.5? or 5.0 alpha or something? I cant really remember, but seem to recall it was flakey... like scrolling or resizing or copy paste or highlighting or something made it annoying to use.... but cant remember specifically. It also probably uses elementary theme stuff which is annoying in my opinion as thats a third theme (besides moksha and gtk) to have to maintain and make sure works right (which is already being done for terminology and ephoto). There was thought given to dropping or replacing ephoto but I know I like the right click/save to imgur feature enough to keep reccommending it myself... but I dont think terminology is ever going away, thats a staple of bodhi in my opinion, so I guess never will be completely rid of elementary anyway... |
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 11, 2021 16:59:39 GMT
In case I have 5.1 installed, how can I perform an upgrade to 6.0 (beta)? I guess I should update repository locations for 6.0, but I only saw ISO link in this thread. Bodhi does not support upgrades between major versions. Version 6 requires a clean install. You will get all the same updates that end up on 6.0 stable if you were to install beta now. In fact there have already been several minor fixes as a result of user reports, so be sure to run updates after installation. |
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Post by thewaiter on Apr 11, 2021 17:01:25 GMT
I have to laugh. When we discussed about leafpad some minutes ago with ylee, my argument to leave it for BL 6 was the nice icon I made some months ago I agree, I have never had any issues with leafpad. It is light on resources and fast as hell. Mousepad seems to be a bit richer on features. But ylee is the boss here. We will wait for his decision Stefan |
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Post by Hippytaff on Apr 11, 2021 17:54:33 GMT
Having read about it, leaf pad is no longer supported by any distro nor maintained, and quite severe bugs have not been fixed. I personally have no issues with it either, but if there isn’t a deb in the Ubuntu repos then it just means more packaging for ylee, which is more work. It’s Ylees call though.
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Post by ylee on Apr 12, 2021 22:14:00 GMT
One minor thing: you might want to consider replacing Leafpad, e.g. by Mousepad. Leafpad was dropped from Ubuntu (and from Debian as well, it seems) because of this serious issue: bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913765Mousepad might be a good replacement, because it's well maintained, lightweight and should fit in nicely alongside Bodhi 6's default file manager Thunar (both are part of the Xfce project). I am looking into this. The link you gave has two reasons for dropping leafpad, three if you count not maintained. If an app compiles and works not maintained is not an issue. It is only if it has bugs or you really need new features does that become an issue. The second issue is gtk2, hmm kinda old and going obsolete but I do not think leafpad is the only gtk application in Ubuntus or Debians repo. So that is a non-issue for me. The third issue is more serious, they claim it has a data truncation bug. Well, that is a sad state of affairs for a text editor. But unfortunately they give no source or details about this claim. Digging around I found [leafpad] wipes file content when saving on gvfs. I have zero way of testing anything with 'samba shares'. Anyway someone else reports: And that I can verify. I used the nautilus as well as pcmanfm-qt file manager to sftp to our repo server and opened a file there with notepad and added a line and saved it. And yes that file was truncated. But that is fixable, in fact there is a patch there that seems to fix it. I verified that. There is another bug with leafpad I reported but I regard it as not really important enough to stop including leafpad on BL6. I told the developer in a second email i did not have time to examine it or try to fix it and don't know much about gtk programming anyway. Only the basic stuff and of course how to find and read the documents Does anyone know of any other significant issues with leafpad? Most software has bugs so some issues are to be expected. If it is unmaintained and has a long list of bugs and some serious then yes I would thinking dropping it for now would be a good idea. It would either be dropping it or maintaining it. For the record if anyone can test the samba shares thing and verify that it occurs, would be please test my patched version of leafpad which I placed in BL6 Testing repo: packages.bodhilinux.com/bodhi/pool/b6testing/l/leafpad/ |
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Post by kiezel on Apr 13, 2021 15:04:27 GMT
Well, thankfully it appears to be a matter of minor importance. In the past, I've used Leafpad pretty often for editing system config files with root permissions and as an in-between for wiping formatting from copied text. I never experienced data loss.
Users can always replace Leafpad by Mousepad themselves, of course. Just to be on the safe side. Which is what I've done, when Ubuntu dropped Leafpad.
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Post by thewaiter on Apr 13, 2021 17:25:23 GMT
I have just tested leafpad samba issue. I can confirm the issue, reproducible. Anyway, ylee built the leafpad with suggested code solution under the bug report in comments. It is working fine. He is gonna put to the main bodhi repository. Thx Robert Stefan |
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Post by R0bur on Apr 14, 2021 8:41:17 GMT
The Bodhi installer allows to choose preferred language for the installation and system - and this is great. But it doesn't allow to choose a keyboard layout switch.
It would be nice to put the most common one to the file /etc/default/keyboard:
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XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle"
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 14, 2021 9:17:45 GMT
The Bodhi installer allows to choose preferred language for the installation and system - and this is great. But it doesn't allow to choose a keyboard layout switch. It would be nice to put the most common one to the file /etc/default/keyboard: ... XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle" ...
That's odd. I always use an alternative US layout (altgr-intl) and have chosen it during installation every time. Some early test versions had an issue where it only worked in tty but that was fixed already in official betas.
What keyboard and layout where you trying to chose? I can test to confirm it wont allow it during installation...
There are known issues with the beta with regards to language selection, which should be resolved in the next "release candidate" version coming soon, but I don't think that's related to keyboard layout.
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Post by kiezel on Apr 14, 2021 10:52:18 GMT
A localization issue: network-manager isn't Dutch localized. It should be, because upstream (Ubuntu) it's at 100 %. Perhaps this is related to the locale-langpack issue that Synaptic has?
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Post by R0bur on Apr 14, 2021 13:37:36 GMT
That's odd. I always use an alternative US layout (altgr-intl) and have chosen it during installation every time. You're right. I tried to reinstall Bodhi 6 beta and I confirm that I can choose Russian keyboard layout. But I can't switch the layout to enter cyrillic letters. |
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But if there is actually any issue with leafpad, or if ylee doesnt want to keep maintaining it for Bodhi, then sure, mousepad is fine in my opinion too.
