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Post by ylee on Aug 17, 2021 14:45:37 GMT
At long last, I am thrilled to announce the BETA release of a 32 bit Debian Bullseye version of Bodhi Linux 6.0. It features the kernel linux-image-5.10.0-8-686, EFL 1.25.1 and of course up to date versions of Moksha and our themes. Please report any issues or possible improvements to these ISOs here. But try to keep things on topic this time and only post about issues with the ISO or the installation. Moksha, theme, or application issues are a separate matter and should be posted elsewhere. Thanks and enjoy  EDIT: Only install a PAE kernel if you need more than 4 G memory. I am also posting my experience installing this ISO on my Old Acer Aspire One netbook, so at least the issues are documented. |
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Post by oblio on Aug 17, 2021 14:51:15 GMT
Thank you, ylee - awesome, excellent, exciting news! [EDIT] One step closer to RC and full release!
My test bed is still operating well, however, would you recommend I do a full re-install?
Awesome work, sir!!
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Post by Hippytaff on Aug 17, 2021 15:17:55 GMT
The week I go away without my laptops. Dagnamit. Might have to leave early. Good work!
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Post by enigma9o7 on Aug 17, 2021 15:30:10 GMT
UPDATED LIST AS OF SEPTEMBER 2022Summary of every issue and suggestion I've made in over a year of beta testing: Important Notes specific to 32-bit or Debian:
1. Chromium 89+ requires SSE3 which only works on the very newest 32-bit machines (so shouldn't be default browser)
2. Debian stable doesn't offer current firefox (only firefox-esr.)
Known Issues
1. /usr/sbin and /sbin aren't in user's path so can't use "reboot" command without specifying path or using sudo.
2. /etc/lsb-release or whatever neofetch uses shows debian (not Bodhi)
3. bash prompt isn't green (which I think looks good on BL6 Standard)
4. mintupdate will not install (probably cuz debian too different; but it does work on LMDE)
5. vim desktop file broken - (points to vim, should be vi - maybe simlink it so command line works too and dont have to edit desktop file) 6. on iso, selecting "boot with pae forced" still only sees 3.2GB on 8GB machine (could just remove this option from menu, or make it work)
7. bodhi app center not working when used with firefox 8. evisum not in bl6 repo (version from bl5 repo works fine so just copy/simlink it)
9. arc-green icons do not include timeshift or chromium-browser (timeshift affects all bodhi versions; chromium-browser affects bl5)
10. bullseye-security is lower priority (500) than regular repo (750) preventing security updates11. cannot download chromium from bodhi app center (bodhi-chromium meta-package should be added to repo that redirects to debian's chromium package)
Recommendations1. The default browser should be epiphany (like bodhi 5.1) as it runs even on pentium iii/athlon xp.
2. Provide current firefox in bodhi repository. Could get binary direct from mozilla and package it, or copy the packaged version from bionic-security (until apr 2023) or LMDE5 or mozillateam PPA...
3. Include bullseye-proposed-updates, bullseye-fastrack, and bullseye-backports repositories by default (and set bullseye-backports to priority 500)
4. If possible, make the ISO fit on a CD. (most 32-bit machines have optical drives)
5. Include the nonfree firmware on the iso so as much hardware works out of the box as possible (like the debian non-free iso).
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Original Post from 17 August 2021 follows; I took over the top half of this post later since it was near the beginning of the thread.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________ First thanks much! I'm super excited for this release. I will be install this on my pentium 4 this morning and then come back with notes! If your system supports PAE I recommend updating to the the pae version of this kernel. A comment/question on this. My understanding is you should only do that if you have more than 4GB of ram (or is it 3.2?), otherwise you "lose" a tiny bit of memory. When I installed earlier test version of bullseye, which starts with PAE kernel, I can't remember the exact numbers but like on my pentium 4 it showed something like 486mb total, then when I switched it to non-pae it showed 499mb total. So even tho my system supports pae, I don't think there's any reason to use it, right?
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Post by ylee on Aug 17, 2021 16:32:16 GMT
... A comment/question on this. My understanding is you should only do that if you have more than 4GB of ram (or is it 3.2?), otherwise you "lose" a tiny bit of memory. When I installed earlier test version of bullseye, which starts with PAE kernel, I can't remember the exact numbers but like on my pentium 4 it showed something like 486mb total, then when I switched it to non-pae it showed 499mb total. So even tho my system supports pae, I don't think there's any reason to use it, right?
I edited my post to strike that comment out. Linux Mint recommended that for LXDE and I went with it also. A little research and I see at a small performance lose using PAE if you do not need it. It is very slight, according to Phoronix testing it is at most approximately 5% slower than the non-PAE kernel. May not matter but anyway my advice for now is stuck with the non-PAE unless you really need PAE. |
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Post by riban on Aug 17, 2021 17:20:01 GMT
Really glad to see this news. May I suggest adding, "beta" to the text of the announcement? I know it is in the title but the text dissent mention it and I twice saw this and thought it was a release, especially with the rhetoric in the text.
Well done, this is obviously a lot of work and initially testing had been pretty good
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Post by thewaiter on Aug 17, 2021 17:29:30 GMT
Great news indeed. This is a big Bodhi leap. I will try ISO as soon as possible. Still doing some work on notifications and themes.
Stefan
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Post by enigma9o7 on Aug 17, 2021 18:58:35 GMT
Looks REALLY good! This is screenshot from my very first boot, only things I've done is increase resolution sudo apt update && sudo apt install neofetch. I notice there's no hands on the analog clock. (I think I read about someone else having this issue sometime before?).
I love that memory usage! I think the /etc/lsb-release or whatever neofetch uses tho is still set for debian (not bodhi). I was surprised to see firefox-esr instead of chromium tho, especially since chromium is actually available in debian repos. One thing that would be cool to do would be to mirror the current firefox package (from debian unstable repo) into bodhi repo so when people sudo apt install firefox (or from appcenter) it gets current version like bodhi normally uses. I found it kinda annoying on regular bullseye to have to add the unstable stuff and mess with pin priority just to be able to get firefox updates; for one thing it seems to make "sudo apt update" take noticeably longer.
The vim desktop file points to 'vim' instead of 'vi' so doesn't work. (I saw this on regular bullseye btw during testing, surprised debian folks didn't fix that before release!)
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Post by ylee on Aug 17, 2021 19:03:12 GMT
This is just a beta release for testing purposes. I plan on using Chromium on the final product and naturally address any other issues noted.
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Post by ylee on Aug 17, 2021 21:45:05 GMT
I am also posted my experience installing this ISO on my Old Acer Aspire One netbook, so at least the issues are documented |
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Post by kiezel on Aug 19, 2021 11:06:51 GMT
ylee Cool! If you're also still planning to do a respin of the HWE iso, in order to provide it with a newer default kernel for improved support for new hardware: the 5.13.x kernel has finally landed in the official Ubuntu repos for Focal. As OEM kernel, so the meta package to install is called linux-oem-20.04c. Installing it currently gives you the 5.13.0-1010-oem kernel.
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Post by Hippytaff on Aug 19, 2021 22:12:28 GMT
Installed without a hitch on my Dell Latitude D430. It does have a BCM4312 in it, and as we know the bcm43xx series is ever the pain for us linux types, but this from the debian website got my card up an running instantly.This should work for most of the BCM43XX series by all accounts.  Edit - You don't need all that uname and sed stuff if you know the kernel version etc, but I lazily just copied and pasted it. Also handy for when I don't know the kernel version. |
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Post by Hippytaff on Aug 20, 2021 15:51:04 GMT
Installed without a hitch on my Dell Latitude D430. It does have a BCM4312 in it, and as we know the bcm43xx series is ever the pain for us linux types, but this from the debian website got my card up an running instantly.This should work for most of the BCM43XX series by all accounts. View AttachmentEdit - You don't need all that uname and sed stuff if you know the kernel version etc, but I lazily just copied and pasted it. Also handy for when I don't know the kernel version. So I reinstalled to check that I hadn’t missed something and I clearly had. Im not sure what I did differently, but my wireless card was recognised by the install script and the correct driver installed on first boot. |
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Post by oblio on Aug 20, 2021 18:03:30 GMT
My early 2000s ThinkPad has an Intel Wi-Fi chipset - used their drivers without a hitch. Trackpad, touch joystick-thing in the middle of the keyboard, audio and battery all worked out of the gates. Initially connected and updated the system after install on Ethernet, which also worked right away.
The only issue I have experienced is a known bug (locking the system made it fairly difficult to log back in - I believe Ylee has this corrected now).
I could track down where my Intel drivers came from if anyone else needs them, but basically I searched my chipset online after polling my system.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Aug 20, 2021 21:04:14 GMT
Really good job on this. Hard to find anything that doesn't work as expected! I guess one thing is the reboot command from terminal doesn't already "just work". Plus bodhi-printing won't install, nor will mintupdate, due to unavailable dependencies. qalculate isn't in bullseye repo for some reason, although coincidentally enough when I looked into it, I see it was added back to "testing" 4 days ago, so maybe it'll end up in bullseye later, I dunno how Debian works....
I noticed the debian chromium package is at version 90 (not current 92), so out of curiosity I tried installing chromium-browser by adding bionic-security repository and it seems to work fine....
The firefox version in debian unstable repo is only version 88, whereas the bionic-security package or the official tar.gz2 from mozilla both are at 91 and both seem to install and work fine. (I think it would be good idea for bodhi repo to mirror/repackage/package one of those two).
In my actual case, on my legacy machine I use palemoon anyway.
Purely as a test, I booted the iso on my i7 with no intention of installing, just to make sure nothing weird with live worth reporting, and everything seems normal. However, on the boot menu there is an option to boot with PAE forced, and when I tried that, it seemed no different, I still only saw 3.3G of memory. I also tried the 'boot from local drive' option, and other than briefly flashing something I can't see on the screen, that just returns to the menu. (I also tested compat mode and that does indeed boot live differently, for example 1024x768 without nouveau video driver.)
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