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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 12:35:41 GMT
Frankly, I don't think that's a good thing. Because it's not about the whole OT forum but only about the LOUNGE subforum. And even if we open a new subforum, what should we call it? Gini's subforum? So please...don't. I don't want to have any extra sausage here or give Kev and Enigma the feeling that everything has to be rebuilt here because of me. If really and actually the majority does not understand what I'm about and that it is not about that I want to determine something here, then I do not know any more... I just thought that the lounge is just what it is: For a community a sub-forum that should promote the community. That should strengthen the cohesion and expand. If that is of course not desired, then I must respect that. Not every community may want that. I may be making the mistake of assuming that this is about more than just promoting a Linux operating system. That is perhaps my mistake. Well, be that as it may, I don't want to change entrenched, hardened structures here because of me. I don't want a new subforum just because of me and only for me. I do not want that one gets the feeling I wanted to determine here. ( To keep the lounge unreadable for guests)
I would also have been interested in how others think about it and not just two users. Because it is only Kev and Enigma so far.
Therefore I suggest, make your lounge visible again and readable for guests, only then I would also like that my contributions are deleted. I do not agree that guests may read these / my posts in the Lounge. Thank you for your understanding. ( hopefully)
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 17, 2022 13:49:33 GMT
Ok, as admin it lands on me to try and keep everyone happy. We’re clearly at an impasse here. To break it down to its most basic parts, reasons aside, there are two camps. A members only OT/Lounge camp and a public OT/lounge camp. So that’s what we’ll do. A private members lounge for members to post privately that only members can see and interact with for those for whom privacy is important and a public one for members for whom publicly sharing their ideas and thoughts is important. I shall hopefully have this done by the weekend. I hope that this will accommodate the various different needs and desires of members regarding this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 13:56:21 GMT
Ok, as admin it lands on me to try and keep everyone happy. We’re clearly at an impasse here. To break it down to its most basic parts, reasons aside, there are two camps. A members only OT/Lounge camp and a public OT/lounge camp. So that’s what we’ll do. A private members lounge for members to post privately that only members can see and interact with for those for whom privacy is important and a public one for members for whom publicly sharing their ideas and thoughts is important. I shall hopefully have this done by the weekend. I hope that this will accommodate the various different needs and desires of members regarding this issue. I can understand that this is not easy for an admin. You know, I was an admin myself for years. But how do you want to create two subforums with the same name? I think the forum software does not allow that. Because both subforums are within the off topic role. And well... basically you didn't create a compromise, but you are following the wishes of Kev and Enigma. But well...
----- @kev And thank you very much for pointing me out .... in that manner:
..but no... thats just one point. You didnt get what i was talking about, at all, all the time. It seems that you did not understand ( or didnt want to) what i was talking about at all , about community.
But that is meaningless now / meanwhile.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Feb 17, 2022 16:53:56 GMT
But how do you want to create two subforums with the same name? I think the forum software does not allow that. Because both subforums are within the off topic role. And well... basically you didn't create a compromise, but you are following the wishes of Kev (Roger) and Enigma.(Craig) You are the one that requested a members only subforum, so not sure how this is my or kevin's wish, neither one of us want hidden posts, that's your idea. . It was you that asked for a private off topic area. Now it sounds like Hippytaff is gunna make one, that anyone can use, not just you.
Nobody is suggesting naming two rooms the same thing! The lounge is the name of the existing public off topic channel and people who posted there already wouldn't expect their messages to get hidden (and unavailable to external search engine), although unlikely would care if the subforum gets renamed. On the other hand, a members only forum should be named something that makes it clear that its not public. If you really like the word lounge to be part of it, it could be titled "Members Only Lounge".
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 17, 2022 17:30:19 GMT
Yeah this one will be the public one and I’ll move the relevant threads to the new private member’s lounge. Coming soon!
Edit - What to do with this thread!? Public? It’s a good tutorial for Admins in how not to manage conflict if nothing else lmao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 18:17:51 GMT
But how do you want to create two subforums with the same name? I think the forum software does not allow that. Because both subforums are within the off topic role. And well... basically you didn't create a compromise, but you are following the wishes of Kev and Enigma. You are the one that requested a members only subforum, so not sure how this is my or kevin's wish, neither one of us want hidden posts, that's your idea. . It was you that asked for a private off topic area. .......
You are not going to read this thread very well... very sad.. Kev wrote on page 1:
Can you read it ? Can you read that ? So? I was saying right!
Its not a compromise *lmao OMG .... But as i already said... ( for you again) its meaningless now for me. You two have your own will and peace will come back over here.
Now, sit back and take your next drink and calm down. No one is going to take anything away from you and Kev. It's all good. PS: ...one last question... you wrote: "....and people who posted there already wouldn't expect their messages to get hidden (and unavailable to external search engine)..." Hmmm.. where are these people? Not here anymore? Why dont they write over here in this thread what they think? Until now, there are only two.... you and Kev...
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Post by enigma9o7 on Feb 17, 2022 18:29:25 GMT
Right, not a compromise, cuz there is no need to compromise when everyone gets everything they want. No private area just for you, if someone else wants to post in the new private subforum, they can.
I am unclear what exactly you're trying to say in that last message, but as long as everyone's happy with proposed solution, all is well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 18:40:11 GMT
Right, not a compromise, cuz there is no need to compromise when everyone gets everything they want. .... Yes, I know that REMOVED think like this and shoot cleverly...is known.... EDIT - Attack on nationality removed. Unacceptable.
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 17, 2022 18:40:44 GMT
All is well. Happy days! Please don’t bring nationalities into discussions though, it’s a slippery slope and generally a bad idea. We’re very clear about that in the forum rules. I know you don’t mean it in the way that it could be taken, but just to be clear 🙂 I Appreciate your understanding Edit - I’m off out for a meal with friends now, so you behave yourselves and play nice while I’m gone or I’ll set oblio the nicest man on earth on to you to kill you with kindness!
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Post by kev392 on Feb 17, 2022 21:20:51 GMT
This whole thing got weird.
1. A new user and who became a Forum Moderator decided to paint with a broad brush new rules involving the Off Topic Forum. Guests are no longer allowed to read this part of the forum. The simple solution was to create a specific forum for that and not involve already established posts.
2. When certain forum members disagreed with this, instead of rethinking their position, they decided to engage in ad hominem attacks by claiming:
A) that we lack understanding
B) that there are only 2 people who are against this, which could imply we are in the minority, so maybe our opinions should not be valued because there are only 2 of us.
C) decided that this is how Americans act
D) started using our supposed real first names, which violates a user's wish to privacy.
E) imply that we're the ones who need to calm down and relax, which I consider to be a form of projection.
3. Decides this discussion and this forum is no longer worth their time and deletes their account.
Have I missed anything?
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 17, 2022 21:27:27 GMT
Something like that yeah…
On my part I should have asked the forum users rather than discord users how they felt about the change given it would affect forum users not discord users. I think that was my first “learning” (error) and it kind of snowballed from there is what I make of it. lmao
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Post by thewaiter on Feb 17, 2022 21:32:11 GMT
No, you haven't missed anything Kev. Let's just ignore it... Have a nice day Stefan
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 17, 2022 21:35:18 GMT
OT boards public again…normal service has resumed.
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Post by ligoxi on Feb 17, 2022 23:04:36 GMT
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Post by wimc on Feb 19, 2022 3:52:47 GMT
I was good either way, be forums viewable or hidden to guests.
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