cooler
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Post by cooler on Apr 4, 2021 21:09:07 GMT
Hello
As previously wrote it would be nice a note on Distrowatch about the beta.
Speaking of Distrowatch the recent modifications make the description of Bodhi Linux not very accurate.
Current description: "Bodhi Linux is an elegant and lightweight Ubuntu-based distribution featuring Moksha, an Enlightenment-17-based desktop environment. The project takes a decidedly minimalist approach by offering modularity, high levels of customisation, and choice of themes. In addition to basic 32- and 64-bit systems, Bodhi maintains designated ISO images for Chromebooks and legacy machines. By default Bodhi has only five pre-installed applications: Midori, Terminology, PCManFM, ePhoto, and ePad. Additional software is available via AppCenter, a web-based software installation tool. "
My take on this: "Bodhi Linux is an exquisit and frugal Ubuntu-based distribution featuring Moksha, an Enlightenment-17 derived desktop environment. For efficiency reasons the project takes a decidedly minimalist approach by offering modularity, and high levels of customisation trough themes. For 64 bits the main is M-edition (Moksha), there is an A-edition (M-edition + apps preinstalled by default), and an E-edition (E2.x). For legacy computers there is a 32-bit L-edition. Give any of these versions a try and be ready to be impressed. Should you encounter problems the nice community will help you through the forum or discord channel".
What do you think?
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 5, 2021 2:11:34 GMT
Are you volunteering to contact distrowatch for us, etc? I just checked out their website a bit, it looks like they mainly deal with contact by old fashioned email!
If you want to do it, great, otherwise I could do it. Basically contact them get our details updated, and let them know we'll have a release candidate in the next week or so and would like it listed, etc... they also have a torrent section to upload a torrent, which requires a username and password, so worth inquiring about getting a login for that too.
As to your description; #1 I wouldn't go adding new letter codes do an existing system, its already a little unclear to many people, and adding that would confuse them more. We already have three main ISO:
Bodhi Standard: Minimalist 64-bit
Bodhi Apppack: Bodhi Standard with additional Apps
Bodhi Legacy: Minimalist 32-bit
For the current 6.0 beta and upcoming Release Candidate, it's only Bodhi Standard that will be available, plus I think an enlightenment edition?
I had written this earlier when I was trying to figure out a possible torrent description:
Bodhi Linux Standard 6.0.0β amd64 LIVE/Install ISO
2021 April 3
www.bodhilinux.com
Bodhi Linux is a lightweight distribution based on Ubuntu but significantly
lighter than Xubuntu or Lubuntu. It features the Moksha Desktop, a fork of
Enlightenment E17.
Bodhi 6 64-bit uses Linux 5.4 LTS kernel and is based on Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS.
Bodhi "Standard" is Bodhi's minimalist 64-bit release, including only basic
applications, with additional available from Bodhi or Ubuntu repositories.
Included GUI Applications:
Chromium Browser
Terminology X-Terminal
Thunar File Manger
Leafpad Text Editor
Ephoto Photo Viewer/Editor
Synaptic Package Manager
Note: automatic snapd installation is blocked by default;
Chromium is provided in traditional debian package from Bodhi repository.
If I were to update distrowatch description I'd incorporate something like that into it...
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Post by cooler on Apr 5, 2021 4:11:53 GMT
I would like to contact Distrowatch if no one does that; I thought Ylee did it. On second thought I think they just take announcements from the distro's website.
It would be my honor to help this project with this very modest contribution; however I would need the approval of Ylee and Stefan for this. It's their work not mine.
As per your ideas I think they are OK, except that in the description you must be general and not referring to the current version. Also I wouldn't compare it to other distros.
I tried to be very concise yet not diverge too much from the original description. The current description on distrowatch is now quite imprecise and should be changed. The X-versions might not be the best idea; still I was trying to mention the variants that exist. Mention of software used in the general description should not be made keeping in mind some of them get changed on different vesions.
New version:
"Bodhi Linux is an exquisit and frugal Ubuntu-based distribution based around Moksha, an Enlightenment-17 derived desktop environment. For efficiency reasons the project takes a decidedly minimalist approach by offering modularity and high levels of customisation trough themes. For 64 bit there are 3 flavors: Bodhi Standard (Moksha), Bodhi Apppack(Bodhi Standard with additional Apps) and Bodhi Enligthenment. For older computers there is a 32-bit Bodhi Legacy. Give any of these versions a try and be ready to be impressed. Should you encounter problems the nice community will help you through the forum or discord channel."
Maybe Standard could be changed with Moksha..
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 5, 2021 5:25:45 GMT
Wwhat I put in the codeblock was practicing for a description of a torrent specifically of beta 6 standard iso, not a description of bodhi linux itself. As I concluded in the last email If I were to update distrowatch description I'd incorporate something like that into it...
I certainly wouldn't use that verbatim as it has a different purpose, I was just giving you hints if you were trying to work on it. Note I offered to do it myself too, but specifically resisted making changes since you seemed like you might be volunteering.
I'll stop critiquing every detail after thisl, but I wouldn't word it "for older computers, there's bodhi legacy" because then it implies bodhi standard isnt good for older computers. Bodhi Legacy is for 32-bit computers (which happen to be old) but all Bodhi editions are good for older computers. I wouldn't necessarily mention the e24 version unless you know there's a future to it or if it's just an experiment, as it is not one of the three tradiation standard/legacy/apppack releases. For bodhi 5 there was also hwe with newer kernel preinstalled for example. As you mentioned a chromebook version at one point. But I'd stick with the basic/historical three that form the foundation of Bodhi.
I would reword what you rewrote like something like
Bodhi Linux is an elegant and lightweight Debian/Ubuntu based distribution featuring the Moksha Desktop, derived from Enlightenment-17. For efficiency reasons the project takes a decidedly minimalist approach by offering modularity and high levels of customisation through themes. Releases come in three main flavors: Bodhi Standard (64-bit minimalist), Bodhi Legacy (32-bit minimalist) and Bodhi Apppack (Bodhi Standard with additional applications). Give any of these versions a try and be ready to be impressed. Should you encounter problems, the nice community will help you through the wiki, forum and Discord channel."
then if i were trying to self promote I'd put something like "Bodhi is great for bringing new life to older hardware, or fully utilizing all the capabilities of the current machines without unnecessary background processes or overhead to keep your system operating blazing fast!"
edit: sorry, I can't help thinking of things. I'd recommend debian/ubuntu based. That covers us for the future, as bodhi 6 legacy will have debian base... and mention the wiki too
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Post by Hippytaff on Apr 5, 2021 7:35:01 GMT
I contacted Distrowatch to update about the forums. A simple email with the details gets it done. I don’t think I even had a reply, but it should be straightforward enough to have the updated iso url put there.
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Post by thewaiter on Apr 5, 2021 8:55:53 GMT
Cooler & enigma:
I appreciate you wanna refresh distrowatch info aboout Bodhi. Nothing against, you have my approval. Anyway related to BL 6 beta, I would like to wait a while. You/we spotted several minor bugs in beta which need to be fixed or polished. As Robert (ylee) noted, let's wait for release candidate and then announce.
Stefan
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Post by cooler on Apr 5, 2021 19:46:06 GMT
Sorry about the slight misunderstandings. There are actually 2 actions for distrowatch: one is the change of description and the second is the announcement of the beta. The announcement is not urgent; the description would be better sent soon; however Robert and Stefan would need to clarify the number of "flavors".. mines were only assumptions.
Dear Enigma.. I'm also a perfectionist so no description would be perfect.. still the current one is quite wrong and should be changed.
And about the flavors I see them as the times: Past (Legacy), Present (Moksha) and Future (E24, E25 or whatever will exist). I've always been a fan of the future but appreciate also the past (good memories).
K.. new proposal.. the number of flavors to be clarified.. I really hope the E version will be kept in the future.
" Bodhi Linux is an elegant and lightweight Ubuntu based distribution featuring Moksha, an Enlightenment-17 derived desktop environment. For efficiency reasons the project takes a decidedly minimalist approach by offering modularity and high levels of customisation through themes. Releases come in four flavors: Bodhi Standard (64-bit minimalist), Bodhi Legacy (32-bit minimalist), Bodhi Apppack (Bodhi Standard + applications) and Bodhi E (64 bit cutting edge). Bodhi is speedy for more recent gear and fantastic for bringing new life to older hardware... the choice is yours. Give any of these versions a try and be prepared to be impressed. Should you encounter problems on your way to Enligthenment the nice community will help you through the forum, the Discord channel and wiki/manual. "
A minimum/recommended configuration setting for each of this flavours should be following...
Best regards, Ciprian
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 5, 2021 20:03:05 GMT
I am not in any contact with distrowatch. But lets wait until I have an official release or at the very least an rc release. My impression is, štefan and ylee are happy to let other people help with anything they can, and anything we do with distrowatch is probably better than now. Hippytaff and I are both official bodhi team members, even listed in "about bodhi" on the iso, so maybe it makes sense for one of us to be distrowatch contact moving forward,as ylee and the_waiter already have enough to deal with with coding and packaging... if they'd wanted to do something with distrowatch they could have done it anytime, wouldnt have needed to discuss it on community forum first  But I agree it's a good idea to get updated! Again, with your approval I'm happy to take the lead on this, unless you want to. What I'd do is write one email with a suggested updated generic description for Bodhi. In that same email, mention Bodhi is preparing for it's next release, and will let them know when release candidates and releases happen. And ask about login info for uploading torrent or what that's about too, I know in the past Bodhi offered an official torrent on sourceforge (I've shared a terrabyte myself!), so it seems like it would be good to have the ability to add those on distrowatch too for people who find Bodhi there. Something like: Hello Distrowatch, Bodhi Linux is preparing to release version 6 and hoping to get your description of Bodhi updated to be more reflective of currently supported and upcoming releases; for example some of the apps have changed, chromebook version is no longer maintained, and our next legacy release may be debian based. Here is a modified version of the current description that would cover all that and addshameless self promotion: Bodhi Linux is an elegant, lightweight, and highly efficient Debian/Ubuntu based distribution, great for bringing new life to older hardware or fully utilizing all the capabilities of recent machines without unneeded bloat and background processes. Bodhi features the Moksha Desktop, a fork of Enlightenment E17, offering modularity, high levels of customisation and choice of themes. Releases come in multiple flavors; Standard (64-bit) and Legacy (32-bit) are minimalist, only including Web Browser, X-Terminal, File Manger, Text Editor and Photo GUI Applications, while the Apppack edition includes more applications and tools preinstalled. Additional software is available via AppCenter, a web-based software installation tool. Should you encounter problems, Bodhi's wiki, forum and Discord channel offer friendly help.
We expect to have a release candidate ISO prepared this month and would happy to have it listed on Distrowatch, should I just send another email when that's ready? On a similar note, I saw the torrent upload section, but it requires a username/password. If we prepare a torrent for our release, how would we go about uploading it? Thanks much, -Craig enigma9o7@bodhilinux.com
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Post by enigma9o7 on Apr 8, 2021 2:51:57 GMT
He trimmed out all the fluff and extras, its already about as long as other distros anyway, so what he took out from what I suggested was basically anything unneccsary.  |
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Post by cooler on Apr 10, 2021 18:43:30 GMT
Well I'm pleased that the description is in line with the current/future state.
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