flymo
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Post by flymo on Nov 8, 2020 9:42:30 GMT
We too have a slew of 32-bit hardware in our posse of friends/family.
It will all probably be retired eventually, but my Atom-powered HP netbook is still good, as are our two REVO boxes that provide TV services via HDMI.
Appreciate that we are asking for more work.
In other news, Bodhi 6 Moksha on USB 'Just Works' loaded live on our shiny Ideapad S130. Thank you!
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Post by Hippytaff on Nov 8, 2020 9:59:14 GMT
I think the intention is to keep a 32 bit bodhi going for as long as possible, at least as long as there is a 32 bit Ubuntu base. And when Ubuntu phase it out we’ll check out options.
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Post by flymo on Nov 9, 2020 7:39:22 GMT
Thanks, Hippytaff. That makes sense.
I now have the Enlightened Bodhi 6.0 Alpha on a stick, and it boots up and runs fine on the Ideapad S130.
One thing, did I miss this? I'm getting a "Connman missing" error, so no WiFi options - more later.
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Post by ylee on Nov 9, 2020 12:14:48 GMT
Thanks, Hippytaff. That makes sense. I now have the Enlightened Bodhi 6.0 Alpha on a stick, and it boots up and runs fine on the Ideapad S130. One thing, did I miss this? I'm getting a "Connman missing" error, so no WiFi options - more later. Network manager is installed. It should be working. nm-applet is not added to startup by default tho. You need to add it if you want it and also load the systray module and add to a shelf or something if you wish to have access to the nm-applet context menu. I did play around with connman and got it working, but I also ran into some rather odd buggy issues using it. One was so bad I ended up reinstalling BL6 e version just to get it back to working. Maybe i could have debugged it and got it working without a reinstall I just did not want to mess with a 4 or more hr project and dig thru yet another code base. Enlightenment including e17 and moksha always wants connman. Jeff suppressed that message and bodhi always used network manager, a gnome tool. Jeff probably concluded the same thing I did, connman is not as reliable as network manager. maybe it is user error on my part but if I ran into problems with it our users SURELY would. Of course on the BL6 e version you are free to do as you see fit, as always with Bodhi. So if you want to use connman (or something else other than Network manager) you will have to install it and get it working yourself. |
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Post by zmaj on Nov 10, 2020 17:29:13 GMT
Hey all, First of all, devs, great work! I installed e24 version on my old netbook and it's fast as hell, also, 5.1 was on this poor bastard before and it was working amazingly fast and stable. e24 is actually very improved, as I used e17 like 10-12 y ago, with all bugs and hardware issues, back then with screen res. and stuff, great times! I always liked e approach and their apps, especially file manager and terminology, probably my fav terminal app ever. First I did after install was to install Fallout 1 and 2 and it worked perfectly. So far, only bugs I have is when I try to put Pager on screen, it spreads all over desktop and no chance to resize it, not a deal breaker, but I like that feature of e, to have pager desktop. Also, there is screen tearing issue when firefox starts, but it's fine during use. Thats acctually all off the issues after heavy use in last week on the go. Battery lasts longer then on Ubuntu Mate, Bodhi 5.1 and antiX, well done, whoever is responsible for that.  I will try to assign as much bugs as I find! Cheers! P.S. Just to add, Connman is complete trash, tried to use it on few different distros and never ever it was working longer then 2-3 hours without completely stoping to work for no reason xD |
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Post by thewaiter on Nov 10, 2020 19:49:34 GMT
As a moksha developer I wonder how people like E over Moksha. I am aware of E quality and progress but Moksha has its own flavour and special features (which are not included in E) after years of heavy development. Moksha is now highly tuned E17 with hundreds of fixed bugs. I also understand Robert's (Ylee) test of two desktops which are now available in alpha releases. It will be interesting to compare the number of downloads each ISOs after some time. According Ylee, maybe this will be a significant sign of the Bodhi future...
What I want to say is, I would like to see users to check both versions, use them and let us know the feedback.
Thanx in advance
Stefan
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Post by ylee on Nov 10, 2020 20:31:40 GMT
Hey all, First of all, devs, great work! ... So far, only bugs I have is when I try to put Pager on screen, it spreads all over desktop and no chance to resize it, not a deal breaker, but I like that feature of e, to have pager desktop. Also, there is screen tearing issue when firefox starts, but it's fine during use. Thats acctually all off the issues after heavy use in last week on the go. Battery lasts longer then on Ubuntu Mate, Bodhi 5.1 and antiX, well done, whoever is responsible for that. ... Thanks !! By pager on your desktop do you mean like this: i.imgur.com/Ckj7zXj.pngHmm, if so I was able to resize it but it 'acted' weird. Not like it acts on moksha. Rather difficult to get right and positioned. Hopefully they get that fixed. If that is not what you mean explain and or give a screenshot. screen tearing issue on firefox sounds like a video driver issue. I would maybe investigate that. As to the battery lasting longer, I would expect it to last longer than running Mate. But lasting longer than BL5.1 is a bit unexpected. I am unsure why that would be. As to antiX don't know enough about it to have an opinion. Thanks for your feedback tho |
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Post by thewaiter on Nov 10, 2020 20:35:22 GMT
I tried that pager issue on desktop in VM. Yes, I can reproduce. The pager is resized over the whole screen. I tried to resize to suitable size but no success.
Tearing issue. In some cases I use to solve this with enabling compositor. Compton in case of moksha. Use compositor in E24. But yea, in general it should be related to VGA. Oh, yes, try to play with HW acceleration in Firefox settings.
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Post by zmaj on Nov 11, 2020 13:27:15 GMT
ylee -Yeah, that pager, but I can see that Stefan is able to reproduce that issue  As for conclusion on the baterry, don't have idea, but I can get some more time, than the rest of the bunch,but also I would like to check Moksha 6 on same netbook, so I will be able to conclude that definitely. @stefan I installed enlightement just because is newest ver. and because I didn't even know what is situation with development in e, also, there is some nostalgia into it. Also, I can't say that e24 is better than Moksha in any way, as I expected bells and whistles, but at least is stable enough to be used at all. And it seems that devs are busy with Tizen much more than they are taking care for e, so I guess it's better for Bodhi to develop Moksha, than to be dependent on snail pace of e developement, especialy that you guys are doing hell of a job.
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Post by ylee on Nov 11, 2020 17:28:56 GMT
ylee -Yeah, that pager, but I can see that Stefan is able to reproduce that issue I could duplicate it also, as I noted it was not easy to resize and move. Meaning the average user might fail in trying to do it. Štefan being unable to do it makes it even more likely the average user would fail. Štefan is not the average user. ... @stefan I installed enlightement just because is newest ver. and because I didn't even know what is situation with development in e, also, there is some nostalgia into it. Also, I can't say that e24 is better than Moksha in any way, as I expected bells and whistles, but at least is stable enough to be used at all ... I would love some of our users to use e24 or at least test it. And yes it should be stable enough for daily usage. I will work the e-devs to try to get any issues our users note fixed in due time. Due time meaning whenever raster and the rest get around to it of course, unless I see some obvious patch for it. |
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Post by cooler on Nov 11, 2020 18:48:19 GMT
As a moksha developer I wonder how people like E over Moksha. I am aware of E quality and progress but Moksha has its own feeling and special features (which are not included in E) after years of heavy developing. Moksha is now highly tuned E17 with hundreds of fixed bugs. I also understand Robert's (Ylee) test of two desktops which are now available in alpha releases. It will be interesting to compare the number of downloads each ISOs after some time. According Ylee, maybe this will be a significant sign of the Bodhi future... What I want to say is, I would like to see users to check both versions, use them and let us know the feedback. Thanx in advance Stefan
Hello Stefan
Great work to keep Bodhi/Moksha alive.
The greater interest in E24 is logical considering there were no recent E ISOs. Judging only from the revision number and the years that have passed since E17 was no longer updated some serious improvements should be expected.
Will give it a try when the Beta will be out. Actually I'll try them both and give you my honest opinion.
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Post by zuul on Nov 12, 2020 9:41:08 GMT
Hello,
I just have tested but not installed the E24 release. Everything runs fine in live mode.
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Post by Hippytaff on Nov 12, 2020 10:01:32 GMT
In case I haven’t mentioned, the E version has been running in a VM here fine since release without any issues.
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Post by ylee on Nov 12, 2020 14:16:59 GMT
... As for conclusion on the baterry, don't have idea, but I can get some more time, than the rest of the bunch,but also I would like to check Moksha 6 on same netbook, so I will be able to conclude that definitely. ... Closer investigation of battery usage of e vs moksha: moksha loads the places module by default while e does not include the places module much less load it. An e version of the places module can be installed and loaded. But nonetheless the places module has an ecore timer which polls for changes in the filesystem. This is an added drain on the battery and as currently coded in moksha does not utilize enlightenment power saving code. It can be modified to use e power saving code and attain better battery performance but it would still be an added drain. The best way to compare moksha with e24 battery usage would be if both e and moksha had the same modules loaded and no additional modules. This would also mean unloading moksha's clipboard module, as it also polls the system for clipboard changes. The power saving code in moksha is almost identical to the power saving code in enlightenment these days, I backported all that along time ago either for BL5.0 or BL5.1. |
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Post by thewaiter on Nov 12, 2020 14:24:49 GMT
More features = more drain I added some nice functionality to the places module. For example it will warn you, if your HDD partition lacks data capacity. It is up to you and your priorities. You wanna "luxury", you need more power Stefan EDIT: if I remember properly, places module checks devices status every 3 seconds. |
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As for conclusion on the baterry, don't have idea, but I can get some more time, than the rest of the bunch,but also I would like to check Moksha 6 on same netbook, so I will be able to conclude that definitely. 
