ewig
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Post by ewig on Dec 7, 2023 6:44:20 GMT
So, I have read this thread and it occurs to me the O.P. can meet his objective easily, as follows. 01) obtain a second USB 02) boot your computer in Live mode using your existing USB 03) make sure wifi works in Live mode 03) plug the second USB into another US port on your computer 03) In live mode, install Bodhi to the second USB. 04) reboot your computer so it boots from the second USB This means the second USB will be your operating system and primary disk drive. Everything will automatically be persistent and written to the second USB. You should be able to read the Windows system without issue. A y410 is a relatively modern computer(10 years old or so), with a decent processor, I mention this because the install to a USB is normally slower than on the normal target hard drive but by running Bodhi on a y410 I doubt you will notice a difference (unless you are a heavy duty gamer). Be aware this is not a permanent solution as you should plan to replace the USB every 18 months or so of consistent use. But, please note, since you have a y410 that means you have an ultrabay. A permanent solution would be to house a diskdrive in the ultrabay and install to the ulltrabay instead of the usb. Simply change the boot order to boot from the ultrabay first and your Windows 10 hard drive 2nd. Simply remove the ulltrabay when you want to run windows. You could also install to a usb SSD which would be a permanent solution. Note. what I did was steer you around the issues you face vs addressing them. But based on your posting I believe the solution I proffer minimizes the risk of a negative outcome by preserving your Windows installation and still giving you a full Linux installation. Excelsior, The Scarlet Pimpernel P.S. i would suggest you consider using Ventoy vs Rufus That's a really cool idea, TheScarletPimpernel, thank you! >But, please note, since you have a y410 that means you have an ultrabay. A permanent solution would be to house a diskdrive in the ultrabay and install to the ulltrabay instead of the usb. Simply change the boot order to boot from the ultrabay first and your Windows 10 hard drive 2nd. Simply remove the ulltrabay when you want to run windows. The label on my computer got scratched, I presumed it to be y410, but later realized that it's really a v110 model, so it's actually a few years older and it doesn't seem to have an ultrabay.
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Post by makar0va on Dec 7, 2023 10:31:30 GMT
So, I have read this thread and it occurs to me the O.P. can meet his objective easily, as follows... P.S. i would suggest you consider using Ventoy vs Rufus Your suggestion certainly makes sense, but I'm not so sure it would solve OP's problems. Setting up a working dual boot is almost the least of the problems, but keeping it alive is another. You just have to know the quirks and pitfalls of Windows, Linux and partitioning, no matter what. Even if OP did some of your suggestions, there would still be the problem that he should not use Linux to access the data on Windows because of the risk of data corruption. Even if you disable fast boot and hibernation, you cannot take it for granted that it will stay that way after an update or upgrade. The same goes for Linux. Every time you upgrade your kernel, it will ask you where to put the boot loader, just as it did during installation, and one wrong click and the system won't boot anymore. Using Rufus and persistence would be the easiest way to set up and the least risky if you are not trying to mount Windows partitions.
Whichever solution you end up with, I would highly recommend an external drive for backups.
The only important thing to know here is that SSD media is not recommended for long-term backups, and to avoid SanDisk (Western Digital) SSDs.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Dec 7, 2023 15:26:04 GMT
The same goes for Linux. Every time you upgrade your kernel, it will ask you where to put the boot loader, just as it did during installation, and one wrong click and the system won't boot anymore. No. Bodhi has never asked me where to put the bootloader during upgrades. And mouse clicks won't affect that.
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Post by makar0va on Dec 7, 2023 15:52:14 GMT
The same goes for Linux. Every time you upgrade your kernel, it will ask you where to put the boot loader, just as it did during installation, and one wrong click and the system won't boot anymore. No. Bodhi has never asked me where to put the bootloader during upgrades. And mouse clicks won't affect that. It would be even much worse if the system didn't even ask where to put the Grub. How does it know in which partition or drive I want to put my boot loader on? What if I don't want it to mess with the MBR, or have changed my mind? I have never tried dual-booting Bodhi, but every other Linux has asked.
(Not asking where to put the boot loader is the main objection to Microsoft Windows). 😉
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Post by enigma9o7 on Dec 7, 2023 16:48:29 GMT
How does it know in which partition or drive I want to put my boot loader on? What if I don't want it to mess with the MBR, or have changed my mind? I have never tried dual-booting Bodhi, but every other Linux has asked. You configure grub during the initial installation, at which time it asks which partition or drive you want to put it on. If you change your mind, you must deal with it yourself, and I'm not going to look up those details for you if you don't actually need to do it. The thing that changed with Bodhi 7 is that now, in order to get windows onto the grub menu, you have to enable os-prober. With older Bodhi versions that was enabled automatically. I have dual boot with windows xp on my pentium 4 thru several bodhi versions. On my i7 laptop (my main machine), back when I ran bodhi 4.5 and 5.0 I dual booted with win10, but I reinstalled 5.1 clean without windows and have stuck with it since (yes, still running Bodhi 5.1). On my phenom (kids gaming machine), it had been running pure bodhi up until this past summer, but then microsoft decided to update the roblox client to a 64-bit version, which broke usage under wine completely, which is now partially working for some people, but not at all under wine on CPU without AVX. So now it dual boots Win10 LTSC, with the only purpose for that win10 partition to run roblox. Anyway point being, I've never had to mess with grub after installation as a result of dual boot with windows, other than that os-prober thing on bodhi 7. My athlon also dual booting, but only older bodhi versions, no windows on there. And none of them require anything special when the kernel upgrades. And shouldn't. I really dunno what issue you've ran into with these other distros either, but as I have no personal experience, not gunna try to troubleshoot those for ya.
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Post by TheScarletPimpernel on Dec 8, 2023 4:21:51 GMT
So, I have read this thread and it occurs to me the O.P. can meet his objective easily, as follows... P.S. i would suggest you consider using Ventoy vs Rufus Your suggestion certainly makes sense, but I'm not so sure it would solve OP's problems. Setting up a working dual boot is almost the least of the problems, but keeping it alive is another. You just have to know the quirks and pitfalls of Windows, Linux and partitioning, no matter what. Even if OP did some of your suggestions, there would still be the problem that he should not use Linux to access the data on Windows because of the risk of data corruption. Even if you disable fast boot and hibernation, you cannot take it for granted that it will stay that way after an update or upgrade. The same goes for Linux. Every time you upgrade your kernel, it will ask you where to put the boot loader, just as it did during installation, and one wrong click and the system won't boot anymore. Using Rufus and persistence would be the easiest way to set up and the least risky if you are not trying to mount Windows partitions.
Whichever solution you end up with, I would highly recommend an external drive for backups.
The only important thing to know here is that SSD media is not recommended for long-term backups, and to avoid SanDisk (Western Digital) SSDs.
makar0va wrote:
My reply: In part I believe you and I have slightly different opinions as to what ewig is trying to accomplish (i.e. is use case). My understanding is ewig is new to Linux and wanted to "experiment/try out/get used to" Linux wile maintaining his Windows installation. I did not see any indication that he intended to regularly access the data/files on his Windows installation through Linux. I assumed he eventually intend to migrate his data (currently on Windows) to Linux once he was comfortable with the Linux distro. And I further assumed the O.P. would port the Windows data using an intermediary device like a usb, portable harddrive or cloud service (Proton,Mega are free options). Ergo there would be no instance of Linux touching the Windows file system. makar0va wrote:
My reply: It could be semantics but wen I think of a dual boot system I think of a singular hard drive that is divided into partitions with one or more operating system residing in a partition. That is not what I proposed. I proposed a physically disparate installation, so Windows and Linux would not coexist on the same disk drive at all. The central idea is for the O.P. to change the boot order so any operating system on his usb or ultra bay (which he does not have) would be loaded instead of Windows and if they were not present than Windows would be loaded. makar0va wrote: My reply: I am not sure that is relevant to my proposal, but I profess no expertise regarding " the quirks and pitfalls of Windows, Linux and partitioning", in fact I plead ignorance. All I'll say is I have utilized the set-up I have proposed 5 times this year, the latest on Tuesday of this week, without a negative incident. makar0va wrote:
My reply: Agreed that is why I proposed what I did. The O.P. should use and intermediary data store to port data. makar0va wrote:
My reply: I have no idea as the only dual boot installation I have is Mx-Linux and Bodhi. makar0va wrote:
My reply: Interesting, I thankfully have yet to experience this. makar0va wrote:
My reply: If the O.P. does an actual installation to is usb or a portable hard drive he will not need to worry about persistence. makar0va wrote:
My reply: Great advice. Cheers to all, The Scarlet Pimpernel
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Post by makar0va on Dec 8, 2023 7:22:20 GMT
The idea of my writing was not to say how someone is wrong but to tell you:
1. Learn. 2. Make a plan. 3. Save your data. 4. Start tinkering. 5. Have fun.
You know the Murphy's Law. If something can go wrong, it will.
It is not a given that everything will stay the way you set it up on day one.
Windows 10 will be history in less than two years, and if you try to upgrade to 11, Windows 11 might try to resize your partitions again, which will definitely mess up with your boot setup again.
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