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Post by ewig on Dec 3, 2023 7:06:37 GMT
I think makar0va is genuinely trying to help here, I did in fact destroy my Windows last time I tried installing Fedora (I just didn't mention it earlier) and it might have been because of that. I've tried installing Fedora in UEFI with Win10 in legacy and ended up with two unbootable OSs ;c I will try now what you recommended - turning off the hibernation shutdown and enabling OS_Prober (in case of successful install)
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Post by ewig on Dec 3, 2023 7:08:28 GMT
View AttachmentI have attempted the Legacy install and at the very last step (after selecting the Install alongside Windows option) I get this error and the installer freezes - pressing either Go Back or Continue does nothing :/ I have tried previously to select both options to - unmount other partitions and not to, but in both cases this shows up. There are no Windows applications running right now, I am using a standard Bodhi live environment booted from a USB stick
>Did you try browsing the windows file system from live, before running the installer? That would have mounted it... although unsure why installer wouldn't be able to unmount in that case.
I did browse the files on the Hard drive from Bodhi live, but not the Disk C: with windows, so idk
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Post by thewaiter on Dec 3, 2023 7:48:13 GMT
enigma9o7! We are happy to have you here on support. I always appreciated your help with Bodhi project so yes, try to keep away from vulgar and rude vocabulary. Bodhi project is famous for its friendly and polite community. This time I corrected your post. As a forum moderator I have some tools for the next time.
Stefan
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Post by makar0va on Dec 3, 2023 10:03:23 GMT
Of course it failed, and you're lucky you didn't destroy your Windows. What are you talking about? First your spam at the beginning of the thread, now this nonsense.
If you were capable of writing an articulate sentence, I guess you would, but you're either too confused or don't know much about the pitfalls of Windows partitioning. Either way, please reformulate your question in human readable form if you expect a serious answer.
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Post by makar0va on Dec 3, 2023 10:16:21 GMT
I think makar0va is genuinely trying to help here, I did in fact destroy my Windows last time I tried installing Fedora (I just didn't mention it earlier) and it might have been because of that. I've tried installing Fedora in UEFI with Win10 in legacy and ended up with two unbootable OSs ;c I will try now what you recommended - turning off the hibernation shutdown and enabling OS_Prober (in case of successful install)
On a dual boot system with Windows, fast startup MUST be disabled. Otherwise, constant chkdsk checks may occur, which can also damage the system or the boot area. Dual boot with Linux : If you want or need to access the Windows partition from the non-Windows system more often on such systems, the quick boot should also be switched off, otherwise the partition can only be mounted "read-only". Also note that all three Windows partitions must remain side-by-side, otherwise WinRE might become corrupted and Defender's offline scanning and recovery might not work properly. Moving WinRE can also be risky. Yes, you can move it, and you can even delete it completely and create a new one, but that's just a lot of unnecessary extra work. WinRE is namely also locked by default, and should be unlocked before moving it, and then locked again. Check how many WinRE partitions Windows created in this case (Disk 1 line): www.elevenforum.com/data/attachments/42/42190-ee94fe4a88fc3cdbda19bcdc2c75265e.jpg
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Post by makar0va on Dec 3, 2023 10:25:57 GMT
I've tried installing Fedora in UEFI with Win10 in legacy You MUST install all systems in legacy, or all systems in UEFI mode.
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Post by ewig on Dec 3, 2023 14:27:07 GMT
OK so thank you guys for your help; but for now I'll have to stick to bimbows, mostly because my hard drive is formatted in NTFS and I can't format it into ext4 right now without loosing all of the data and I won't be able to use my files from my NTFS drive reliably under Linux ;( Here is what happened today as I've tried installing Bodhi again (I'll leave it here just in case somebody will have similar issues): I've disabled hybrid shut down (in Windows run cmd as administrator => execute "powercfg -h off") and the installation finally went without any errors (although at the step where I choose to install Bodhi alongside with Windows I suddenly realized that one cannot choose the amount of space to let Bodhi to have, which is kind of weird, but I guess that's the standard practice with distros); upon completion I've ejected my Bodhi Live USB and loaded the computer - there was a boot list with options (I guess it was GRUB, not sure) that had like five different options - the first was ubuntu, the last was windows. I have chosen the first one and successfully booted into Bodhi. The first thing I did was enabling OS Prober. Then I've used the command "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade" to upgrade Bodhi and it started downloading the files, but at some point Terminology prompted an error message saying that GRUB had some trouble with the file system on sda5. As I tried taking a screenshot of that error message another window popped up (from Moksha), saying that my current configuration has been replaced by a newer one, but it went into an endless loop - every 2 seconds the screen went black and then this message would pop up. I couldn't take a screenshot of it either, I couldn't even Shut Down with this window popping up so fast and non-stop, so I had to hold the power button down until the computer turned off. When I've tried booting up again it opened some unknown environment to me - it was just text, like GRUB, it said initramfs and it said that the root filesystem on /dev/sda5 requires a manual fsck. I did the manual fsck for sda5 (still no idea what that was :0) and then instead of the GRUB environment that lets you choose boot options I was thrown into Bodhi loading, but unfortunately it didn't load - after entering my password the screen went black and nothing happend, only some pixels were flickering on the very right side of the screen. And that's pretty much it - everytime I tried restarting I had no option to boot into Windows, it opened Bodhi automatically, but Bodhi only loaded a black screen. I've tried reinstalling windows, but now I can't because the disk is in read-only state, so I've formated the partition with Bodhi (since I was not able to get it to work) and installed new Windows in its place. Now I have another problem - I can't delete the first Windows - it doesn't boot, it doesn't react to Windows Installation Media Repair, but at least I got some new experience, I guess. Regardless, I'll keep reading about all of this stuff, any information and advice on what I did wrong and should attempt to fix or avoid will be very helpful. If I'll be able to recollect the space from my destroyed Windows install and merge it with a new one maybe I'll try installing Bodhi the way makar0va has suggested previously - to install it manually on a partition that will be separate from Windows and use EasyBCD to make them work together. Or just wait until I can afford meself some new notebook)
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Post by ewig on Dec 3, 2023 14:29:08 GMT
I've tried installing Fedora in UEFI with Win10 in legacy You MUST install all systems in legacy, or all systems in UEFI mode. Thank you, I was not aware of that. Many guides I've read featured steps like Go to BIOS and change Legacy to UEFI before installing, so I figured it's possible to have both systems on a single machine.
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Post by ewig on Dec 3, 2023 14:34:45 GMT
yeah sorry trying to quit tobacco again, super grumpy, please ignore my really really bad attitude. For the next week or three. And I havent drank in a few weeks either, although that wasnt hard to stop. Trying to better myself and quit wasting money. Just wait til next week when I run out of weed, not gunna replenish that either, I really hope I can control my attitude then. I've tried quitting four times myself, trying to quit sucks almost as much as smoking itself. But it's great when you can have a pleasant chat and occupy your mind with some things, occupying oneself with literally anything productive definitely works great for those trying to quit. And winter - if it's cold where you're at, you will likely avoid getting outside to have a smoke, better stay comfy, make some herbal tea and do some yoga or smth)
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Post by makar0va on Dec 3, 2023 15:00:36 GMT
Before you try again, read all the links first, NOT just my summary of those links. (!!!)Also, back up your data to an external hard disk, and start Windows Clean Install in UEFI mode. ========================================================== Microsoft imposes limitations on which firmware boot mode and partitioning style can be supported based on the version of Windows used... Most of the linux bootloaders installed for one firmware type cannot launch or chainload bootloaders of the other firmware type. To dual-boot with Windows on same disk, Linux should follow the same firmware boot mode and partitioning combination used by the Windows installation. There are two OSs that can be hibernated, you can hibernate Windows and boot Linux (or another OS), or you can hibernate Linux and boot Windows, or hibernate both OSs. Warning: Data loss can occur if Windows hibernates and you dual boot into another OS and make changes to files on a filesystem (such as NTFS) that can be read and written to by Windows and Linux, and that has been mounted by Windows. Similarly, data loss can occur if Linux hibernates, and you dual boot into another OS etc. Windows may hibernate even when you press shutdown. For the same reason, if you share one EFI system partition between Windows and Linux, then the EFI system partition may be damaged if you hibernate (or shutdown with Fast Startup enabled) Windows and then start Linux, or hibernate Linux and then start Windows. Disable Fast Startup and disable hibernation is the safest option, and recommended if you are unsure about the issue, as it requires the least amount of user awareness when rebooting from one OS into the other. You can not read-write mount any filesystem in Linux, that is mounted by Windows while Windows is hibernated. You should be extremely careful about this, and also consider Automount behaviour. wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows-- Finally, it's all about the essentials: Your data. If this is not already the case, store it separately from the operating system. If you were to leave the data on the Windows drive, you would have to access it later from Linux. This is just as bad an idea as letting Windows access Linux. In both cases, there would be a risk of one system destroying the other, which could even lead to data loss. www.heise.de/hintergrund/Windows-und-Linux-Zusammen-sind-sie-staerker-7204740.html-- Update to 22H2 fails at 87% Should the recovery partition be after the Windows partition? (Yes, it should!) Before the 2019 version of Windows 10 came out the default disk layout was: Recovery-EFI-MSRP-System (usually C:) After that version came out, the default disk layout changed to EFI-MSRP-System (usually C:)-Recovery. Omitting the MSRP (which follows the EFI pretty much always) www.elevenforum.com/t/how-to-move-recovery-partition.9697/www.elevenforum.com/t/update-to-22h2-fails-at-87-on-3-incompatible-almost-identical-laptops-with-no-error-log.9645/#post-208370-- If you move the WinRE Recovery partition to another position on the drive it can lose it's linkage to boot Automatic Repairs when WIndows won't start. The only stable way to move the Recovery partition containing WIndows bootable repair tools for when it won't start, is to clone it along with the System and C partitions. Even then it may lose it's ability to boot, in which case you'd need to boot repair tools from the WIndows Bootable Media. answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-can-you-move-the-windows-10-recovery-partition/2921d840-2aba-4bf1-9744-b00a26252fad-- superuser.com/questions/1453790/how-to-move-the-recovery-partition-on-windows-10superuser.com/questions/1354574/how-to-expand-the-windows-partition-when-the-recovery-one-is-in-the-way
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Post by makar0va on Dec 4, 2023 16:52:33 GMT
So, as a proof of concept for my partitioning scheme on the previous page, I created a Windows and Linux dual-boot setup inside a VirtualBox virtual machine. The only things to note: I was using pre-existing Windows 10 32-bit, so I had to use LMDE instead of Bodhi, and there was no space left for a proper shared partition, so I skipped it entirely.
Even though Grub takes care of booting both systems, I downloaded EasyBCD just in case. If for some reason I can't boot Linux, Windows will boot. I hate messing around with recovery media and the command line. It's 2023, not 1963.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Dec 4, 2023 17:44:41 GMT
I was using pre-existing Windows 10 32-bit, so I had to use LMDE instead of Bodhi.
Not that there's anything wrong with it, but not sure why you "had" to use LMDE. Bodhi doesn't have any rules against dualing booting particular windows versions, the installer treats them all the same, xp-11, 32 or 64bit, etc.
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Post by makar0va on Dec 4, 2023 18:27:53 GMT
I was using pre-existing Windows 10 32-bit, so I had to use LMDE instead of Bodhi.
Not that there's anything wrong with it, but not sure why you "had" to use LMDE. Bodhi doesn't have any rules against dualing booting particular windows versions, the installer treats them all the same, xp-11, 32 or 64bit, etc.
Because there is no Bodhi 7 32-bit, and because my Windows 10 32-bit was inside of VirtualBox and couldn't start 64-bit Bodhi inside that particular VM. I didn't want to create a new virtual machine with 64-bit Windows. I was just playing around for some screenshots. Took 30 minutes with 2 cigarette breaks. And a phone call...
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Post by ewig on Dec 5, 2023 17:46:21 GMT
I thought dual-booting would be an easy step in trying to start using Linux, but with all of the consequences it seems that it would be better to keep different OSs separate on different machines) Hope I'll be able to afford myself a new laptop and will make a clean Bodhi install on it, but I'll keep in mind your proposal, makar0va! I was thinking about reusing my Bodhi flesh drive to make it persistent, but again I'll have to figure out first how to use Ventro on Windows, maybe that would be another interesting experiment)
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Post by TheScarletPimpernel on Dec 6, 2023 5:41:52 GMT
So, I have read this thread and it occurs to me the O.P. can meet his objective easily, as follows.
01) obtain a second USB 02) boot your computer in Live mode using your existing USB 03) make sure wifi works in Live mode 03) plug the second USB into another US port on your computer 03) In live mode, install Bodhi to the second USB. 04) reboot your computer so it boots from the second USB
This means the second USB will be your operating system and primary disk drive. Everything will automatically be persistent and written to the second USB. You should be able to read the Windows system without issue.
A y410 is a relatively modern computer(10 years old or so), with a decent processor, I mention this because the install to a USB is normally slower than on the normal target hard drive but by running Bodhi on a y410 I doubt you will notice a difference (unless you are a heavy duty gamer). Be aware this is not a permanent solution as you should plan to replace the USB every 18 months or so of consistent use.
But, please note, since you have a y410 that means you have an ultrabay. A permanent solution would be to house a diskdrive in the ultrabay and install to the ulltrabay instead of the usb. Simply change the boot order to boot from the ultrabay first and your Windows 10 hard drive 2nd. Simply remove the ulltrabay when you want to run windows.
You could also install to a usb SSD which would be a permanent solution.
Note. what I did was steer you around the issues you face vs addressing them. But based on your posting I believe the solution I proffer minimizes the risk of a negative outcome by preserving your Windows installation and still giving you a full Linux installation.
Excelsior,
The Scarlet Pimpernel
P.S. i would suggest you consider using Ventoy vs Rufus
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