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Post by thewaiter on Oct 1, 2023 7:41:21 GMT
I am a polite person so I will not comment this thread a lot, but still this is the Bodhi Forums and I really do not care about LXLE distribution. Sorry. In any case of questions related to Bodhi linux, I am 100% here for you Stefan
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Post by TheScarletPimpernel on Oct 1, 2023 8:22:40 GMT
Sorry Stefan I did not mean to ruffle your feathers ; I thought that was the whole point of the: Off Topic-->Other Distros space in the forum - discussing other distros.
All the best to all...
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Post by thewaiter on Oct 1, 2023 8:28:40 GMT
OK, probably my misunderstanding. Of course I respect all Linux projects around and I like seeing their prosperity. Maybe I am too subjective and too binded with Bodhi Stefan
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Post by Hippytaff on Oct 1, 2023 19:55:00 GMT
Also this is the other distros board, so it’s probably asking for discussions about other distros 😂
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Post by enigma9o7 on Oct 1, 2023 22:34:53 GMT
I think I asked this before, but if you have a machine/VM runing LXLE, does it use any of its own repositories (or do they juse use ubuntu)? Assuming it isn't pure ubuntu, if their repository is down, that would be a bigger sign their distro is dying/dead.
When I'm recommending linux to a non-technical windows user, I often recommend Mint. But for super low spec hardware, i.e. 1-2 core 1-2gb ram, Mint isn't the ideal choice. So as to the niche that LXLE fulfills, I think Bodhi has similar (if not slightly better) hardware requirements, features, and performance, but Bodhi doesn't try to target non-technical new linux users; it's better for people who already have some familiarity with linux and available software, etc, who want to be able to install the apps of their choice, and don't especially mind (and sometimes prefer) that the recommended update method is apt from command line, etc. That being said, it was my first distro, but I wouldn't consider myself non-technical, and I enjoy figure out things as I go along.
I have played with lots of distros in VM, and can't think of any other good distro for that niche tho. Antix is great for super low spec hardware and can outperform bodhi, but it is definitely not meant for the non-technical new-to-Linux crowd - it's window manager based with lots of text based config editors and such, no integrated settings, etc. The only full desktop environment that is on par (memory and performance wise) with Moksha is LXDE, every other DE is significantly heavier. And afaik no distro really features LXDE anymore; Peppermint has moved to more xfce stuff, lubuntu (and derivatives) moved to lxqt, slitaz is super outdated, and lxle is either dead or even if not their last release is focal based (which I'm now okay with complaining about now that Bodhi has released jammy based version!). There's always pure debian tho, they still offer lxde as a desktop option in their net installer. Bodhi's app-pack version is a little better for new users as it comes with basic apps for everything and an update tool preinstalled, but hasn't been released for 7.0 yet (which of course is no big deal for regular users as we are already familiar with what we want and how to install it!).
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Post by TheScarletPimpernel on Oct 2, 2023 6:15:42 GMT
First of all thank you for the response. I looked in/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and found a file with the name lxle in it and contained repo information point to: ppa.launchpad.net/lxle/stable/ubuntuwhich appears alive to me and was last updated on 04/29/2022. In my former life, oft corporations hired us to do in-depth vendor-COTS evaluations. When I started my distro testing I used a formula based approach, developing use cases I was bench marking resource usage/performance against. Bodhi is fast. It is faster and far lighter than out of the box Debian 12 LXDE (as one example) for desktop use, making me think team Bodhi optimized things. Bodhi also seems significantly faster than LXLE which in and of itself is lighter and faster than Lubuntu or Debian running LXDE (I have not tried Ubuntu LXDE yet). But as you point out, the niche LXLE fills is for those with low spec hardware AND want/need an out of the box desktop experience. But sadly, for me, it has thus far not demonstrated itself to be stable enough to complete even the most rudimentary tests. One thing that recently surprised me is how much heavier MX-Linux 23 is compared to the previous Wildflower release. And at the same time the Mint team seemed to push to lighten up and speed up their XFCE offering so that in a twist, now Mint XFCE 21.2 uses about 1/2 the RAM of MX-Linux 23 at idle(508 MB RAM with wifi running)! So now, if you have 2 GB RAM and a decent CPU AND want a out of the box desktop experience, surprise Linux Mint 21.2 XFCE is a viable option! To be clear, on the same hardware, Bodhi runs circles around Mint (and MX-Linux) but but the audiences are substantially different. Ultimately Bodhi seems to be an elegant power users system that lets you customize your desktop in a way that allows you to be productive and rapidly launch and switch between applications without having to click your way through multiple menus while running in a very stable environment. It is a beautiful thing. Thanks for the discourse. Kindest regards to all, I remain, The Scarlet Pimpernel
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Post by enigma9o7 on Oct 2, 2023 22:33:46 GMT
First of all thank you for the response. I looked in/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and found a file with the name lxle in it and contained repo information point to: ppa.launchpad.net/lxle/stable/ubuntu which appears alive to me and was last updated on 04/29/2022. Launchpad is hosted by canonical, so that won't go down anyway. Some distros based on ubuntu/debian, including bodhi (and mint) host their own repos... so if our repos went down, that'd be bad In my former life, oft corporations hired us to do in-depth vendor-COTS evaluations. When I started my distro testing I used a formula based approach, developing use cases I was bench marking resource usage/performance against. Bodhi is fast. It is faster and far lighter than out of the box Debian 12 LXDE (as one example) for desktop use, making me think team Bodhi optimized things. Bodhi also seems significantly faster than LXLE which in and of itself is lighter and faster than Lubuntu or Debian running LXDE (I have not tried Ubuntu LXDE yet).
Bodhi does it's best to be fast by starting with ubuntu server and then removing what isn't needed, then adding Moksha. I remember for Bodhi 6 release, team was given a list of the ~1000 packages that bodhi was considering, and we were asked to recommend what could be removed. With Bodhi, we try to only keep packages that almost everyone needs. If it's something that someone might not need, we remove it; people can install stuff they need themselves. Printing support is a simple example. Ubuntu installs that by default, we don't, but of course users are free to setup printing on our own machines, but for those that never print, who needs a CUPS server running? etc etc. So when I was trying to reduce that package list, one thing I did was check what debian netiso without system utilities and desktop would install, and compare to bodhi, and every package we installed that wasnt on that I'd look into myself to see if we (i.e. everyone) really would want it (plus of course if not installing it would make default bodhi look bad, like no fonts or no icons etc). So that's our "optimization" method - just install minimal we need! A minimalist distro.
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Post by eor2004 on Nov 22, 2023 19:20:16 GMT
Well, I have your word for that (LOL) but my experience has been different. I have now trialed over 40 distros across the following hardware: and while I have had a three other distros that occasionally froze on a given piece of hardware (browser hardware acceleration issues) LXLE is the only one that has consistently frozen on all my hardware every time I have run it; that just bothers me. The thing is, in its time none of that hardware was obscure so the issues with LXLE puzzle me. The freezes are not all browser based. Anyways not a Bodhi issue but it does explain why I was going to engage in the LXLE forum. The Scarlet Pimpernel Hi, the same happened to me with LXLE, after I installed it, I got constant freezes and kernel panics with it, I tried changing kernels and that helped with the freezes and kernel panics, but when playing videos, the videos started to give problems like stuttering, I liked the way it looked and that is very light on resources, but I feel it is not ready yet for prime time, it needs to be more polished, anyways, very happy right now with Bodhi, it doesn't have any of those issues, working like a charm on this old machine, cheers!
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