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Post by simotek on Feb 20, 2022 13:59:30 GMT
but i am curious: why there is not (apart from magnificent bl that uses e17) any distro that uses latest E? Do all e team members build from source? openSUSE always tends to ship the latest E as part of the distro, e25 has been held up a bit due to the branding as well as the current terminology changes, we generally also ship custom branding but i'm still working on a new theme for that. |
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Post by ligoxi on Feb 20, 2022 14:23:28 GMT
Had seen in the past e with opensuse. I will grab the opportunity and ask: why e official page does not come with a distro kind of premade for its users? Sorta what bodhi linux does , apart from moksha development ylee provides a distro that one just installs and at least for 2 years one does not have to do anything just updates.
I like that i can tell to friends get this usb and boot into this. I believe e25 should be spread more to users
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Post by thewaiter on Feb 20, 2022 16:06:42 GMT
It looks not many distros ship with E as a default desktop. I saw Void linux and some distros around but in general E is not as popular as well known desktops like XFCE, LXQT, KDE etc. It had no a great reputation in the past. From what I saw and read e17 was very buggy as well as E18, E19. Freezes, seqfaults and unstable desktop can not compete with others on the scene. Also E is still under heavy development. API changes and huge rework also can not define the stability. Let's hope E25 will be stable enough to gain some popularity and loyalty. In the meantime we continue on E17 fork called Moksha. Time will answer the questions about both projects future.
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Post by batden on Feb 20, 2022 16:37:53 GMT
There is also the (community) PCLinuxOS E25 ISO made by OnlyHuman.
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Post by thewaiter on Feb 20, 2022 16:44:27 GMT
Yea, I forgot OnlyHuman's releases.
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 20, 2022 17:37:30 GMT
There’s my hacked together Debian E25 also. Lmao
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Post by simotek on Feb 21, 2022 0:12:47 GMT
Had seen in the past e with opensuse. I will grab the opportunity and ask: why e official page does not come with a distro kind of premade for its users? Sorta what bodhi linux does , apart from moksha development ylee provides a distro that one just installs and at least for 2 years one does not have to do anything just updates. I like that i can tell to friends get this usb and boot into this. I believe e25 should be spread more to users Putting together a distro that works well is a tonne of effort not just in general development, but also rebranding all the other parts of the system as well as things like marketing etc. With a small team all of this effort takes away from the ability to add new features to e etc. Raster does provide a set of packages for Arch which he and several other devs run.
Personally I work for SUSE and creating an "Enlightenment Distro" based off openSUSE wouldn't be crazy amounts of work for me (I'd still have to rebrand grub and gdm or lightdm), but given that unlike Ubuntu, openSUSE allows any package someone wants to maintain into the distro and has a very open development model creating such a distro wouldn't give people any better user experience then simply running openSUSE. On the other hand something I should do at some point is create a "Live" openSUSE image with Enlightenment on it, and maybe a second one with no branding so people who don't run an E based desktop can test it out.
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Post by simotek on Feb 21, 2022 1:10:58 GMT
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Post by ligoxi on Feb 21, 2022 8:08:56 GMT
simotek your work (e team) at least with some people i know is appreciated. i quote from a C/C++ developer: "I think it's time for EFL, SDL and other tools for sane people. no bloatware, no waste of CPU for hours of compilation, no corporative dependencies, no ads, no vendor-locked development tools. light and robust libraries. Motif, FLTK, dlib" "Putting together a distro that works well is a tonne of effort" ylee thank you 
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Post by ligoxi on Feb 21, 2022 8:49:54 GMT
"From what I saw and read e17 was very buggy as well as E18, E19" thewaiter Moksha seems pretty stable to me "In the meantime we continue on E17 fork called Moksha" Moksha development and E25 make me believe future will be adventurous and promising. From what i have seen, since i have not tested latest E, E consumes more RAM idle,than moksha. So my choice is moksha, since it is the performance champion. Perhaps due to it does less? Like Stefan says and i agree less is more |
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Post by batden on Feb 21, 2022 10:34:51 GMT
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Post by simotek on Feb 21, 2022 12:31:44 GMT
I really should fix that power button :-(
I'm working on a better completely different theme that matches the Vertex GTK theme, with that its possible to have efl gtk and Qt all look the same in a way I like.
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Post by simotek on Feb 21, 2022 13:02:39 GMT
"From what I saw and read e17 was very buggy as well as E18, E19" e17 atleast post release and maybe a bit before but especially 17.3 and 17.6 was pretty good as long as you used the right set of modules, a bunch of the extra modules that got dropped in later versions caused alot of issues.In general if you ran with the compositor module enabled, it meant you couldn't run a bunch of extra modules but what you had was more stable, I also remember E19 being pretty good stability wise although some people really didn't like it because it enforced the compositor which meant that some of there favorite 3rd party modules didn't work anymore. Since e21 releases have generally also been pretty stable. e25 has one or two bugs that could still do with ironing out on some systems but generally these days its pretty good. |
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Post by ylee on Feb 21, 2022 15:06:47 GMT
simotek , nice theme. I always loved your enlightenment themes. It is not a priority for me but I hope to package them for bodhi at some point. At least for the e25 release. e17 had a number of segfault issues. Really alot but I never noticed them until I started working on Moksha's code. I fixed all the ones I found and know about. Most fixed by backporting later enlightenment commits. e25 tho is great I have noticed a few bugs and other minor issues that maybe could be improved. But serious segfaults are rare in my experience. Stefan and I try to work with Raster to at least report bugs and issues. Esp anything serious. Putting together a distro that works well is a tonne of effort not just in general development, but also rebranding all the other parts of the system as well as things like marketing etc. With a small team all of this effort takes away from the ability to add new features to e etc. Raster does provide a set of packages for Arch which he and several other devs run.
I find it very time consuming to put together our ISO releases. It is alot of work and certainly takes away valuable time from me I could be spending on my never ending task list of Moksha and other Bodhi improvements. I would love to find someone I could offload this work to. But with our small team that is not going to happen any time soon.
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 21, 2022 15:08:50 GMT
I really should fix that power button :-(
I'm working on a better completely different theme that matches the Vertex GTK theme, with that its possible to have efl gtk and Qt all look the same in a way I like.
That’s one of the biggest battle with theming with edj. Worth it but I don’t think many people know how much work theming is with efl. Although I’ve not really tried getting under the hood with gtk or QT, so maybe I’m wrong. |
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