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Post by kev392 on Aug 10, 2021 9:55:06 GMT
Peppermint has always been based on Ubuntu, but it seems the new devs are building version 11 on Debian.
I've always felt Ubuntu was the best Linux-based OS in theory for those who don't want to be constantly tweaking their system or downloading software on a daily basis.
Of course in practice, Ubuntu-Canonical seems to do things their way and has a way of ignoring what their users may really want.
Distros like Bodhi and Linux Mint take the Ubuntu base and make it even better. The devs listen to what their users want and in both cases, created their own desktop environment which have been well received.
I wonder how the Debian-based Peppermint 11 will go over with their longtime user base.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Aug 10, 2021 20:45:15 GMT
I like peppermint, I have a virtual machine with version 10.
I haven't followed them in detail, but last I heard they havent had an updated version since their bionic base, and their lead dev passed away... But I bet I know why bullseye is their next base. They are known as lightweight lxde based distro. Ubuntu no longer has any lxde version, lubuntu is now lxqt based, which peppermint used to base on. One use of light distros is old machines, and the oldest of those that are still usable are things like the 32-bit pentium 4, and ubuntu also no long supporting 32-bit. Debian still supports lxde and still supports 32-bit. So without major changes, debian is kinda their only easy way to update anyway.
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Post by kev392 on Aug 11, 2021 5:22:49 GMT
These changes are certainly in regards to the passing of Mark Greaves.
The new lead devs don't have the time to piece things together the way Mark could, so they're simplifying things. It's taking them much longer than originally anticipated.
The Debian release cycle will allow them more time to keep Peppermint 11 updated. And you're right about the 32 bit situation. I have an old 32 bit machine circa 2004 and I recall Peppermint 6 worked nicely back in 2016 before the power supply failed.
Xfce 4.16 will be used, but Nemo will be the file manager. I believe they're dropping all ties with LXDE.
One of the big problems they've encountered is getting it to work properly with UEFI booting.
Some think Peppermint 9 and 10 have support until 2028. I'm pretty sure that's only for Ubuntu's Extended Support which is a paid subscription. I would expect it only through April 2023 since they're based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Aug 11, 2021 15:55:44 GMT
There are already several good xfce distros including xubuntu and Mint xfce, I had hoped peppermint was keeping the lxde torch alive, so that's a little disappointing! Anyways it'll still be interesting to see what they come up with.
As to the EUFI booting and installer and stuff, that's something I am completely unfamiliar with and I imagine quite tricky, and iirc Peppermint didnt use the same installer as ubuntu or debian even on version 10...
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Post by kev392 on Aug 13, 2021 6:19:38 GMT
I think they were using Ubiquity, but it'll probably be Calamares now.
I found Cinnamon looked better and was easier to tweak on Mint. The RAM usage wasn't much higher, at least on boot. Certainly a lot less than GNOME or Budgie.
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Post by kev392 on Sept 2, 2021 0:30:49 GMT
Peppermint 11 still not Beta but they say they're close.
1. tkinter with python instead of GTK
2. Calamares installer
3. Nemo and Thunar
4. no more LXDE sessions it's all Xfce 4.16
5. kernel 5.10
6. almost have all boot issues resolved
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Post by enigma9o7 on Sept 2, 2021 4:28:05 GMT
Dunno what #1 means...
I'm gunna have to check out Nemo sometime. I know ylee says good things about it too.
Have they said anything about 32-bit, yes or no?
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Post by kev392 on Sept 2, 2021 9:21:21 GMT
Dunno what #1 means... I'm gunna have to check out Nemo sometime. I know ylee says good things about it too. Have they said anything about 32-bit, yes or no? #1 is a method to create icons and widgets. I don't know much about it though or if it involves more. ylee or thewaiter I'm sure could provide more on that. Nemo was created by Linux Mint. I've always liked it, but Thunar is good also. Not sure why they would have both. They've only mentioned Debian 11 64 bit as the base. I'm sure there are many people hoping for a 32 bit, since Debian still supports it. |
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Post by kev392 on Oct 30, 2021 19:12:14 GMT
¨¨˜"°º★ Update ★º°"˜¨¨
Peppermint forum is running a poll for their "Web Browser Manager" to see how popular it is in Peppermint 10. It provides a very simple GUI for 8 different browsers.
If it's popular enough, they will consider using it in Peppermint 11. The poll closes December 31, 2021.
This could indicate Peppermint 11 won't be available until 2022.
They have yet to start any development on a 32 bit version 11.
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Post by rrashkin on Oct 30, 2021 21:59:54 GMT
tkinter is a graphical package for python (default with Windows downloads, at least it was 10 years ago). It's an alternative to GTK and, I think, Elementary. It's based on the interface used by TclTk, a pre-python, or at least alternative scripting language. ["tk inter" is cutsie for "tk ++"]
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Post by kev392 on Dec 23, 2021 0:48:50 GMT
¨¨˜"°º★ Another Update ★º°"˜¨¨ The Peppermint dev team has resolved the UEFI boot issues. That was a big hurdle. They are not following up with their Web Browser Manager and it's now considered depreciated. Apparently there wasn't enough support to continue its use. However, a version that's on GitHub as ICE - SSB Manager is available. More details can be found at github.com/peppermintos/iceShould be done soon. My prediction for 2022 seems likely. Hopefully in January. Slackware 15.0 stable also appears likely for early 2022. |
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Post by enigma9o7 on Jan 31, 2022 3:30:49 GMT
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