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Post by cooler on Jun 13, 2021 4:22:46 GMT
Matti... do you have another newer (but not last-generation) PC or a friend/relative that has one? If yes you could try to boot your USB drive on that one and check that the USB drive is working. You don't have to install it.. you can start the live version and see how Bodhi Linux works/looks. As both Enigma9o7 and Oblio suggested you should select dd mode on Rufus: see eossweden.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/rufus-dd-number.jpgI'm not sure you understood my remark about the risk of power failure. If you do the BIOS update and you have a power failure from the electric company while doing this update (2-3 minues critical time) then your PC won't work anymore (the mainboard would become useless.. the other parts would still be functional). It is highly unlikely that would happen but I wanted to warn you so that you act knowingly. A BIOS udpdate would dramatically increase your chances of installing trough USB drive. Looking trough BIOS release history for Optiplex G270 version A03 already has "Improved USB booting operations for USB devices. " If you have created the USB drive trough rufus with dd method and the USB drive is booting fine on another computer I recommend that you update your BIOS as said in my first post; get it from here: www.dell.com/support/home/ro-ro/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r128823&oscode=ww1&productcode=optiplex-gx270Let us know how it goes. |
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Post by matti85 on Jun 13, 2021 11:30:37 GMT
Yes, I can confirm I changed to dd mode after selecting burn.
When I go to Boot Device Menu I get these options:
1. Normal
2. Primary Master Drive
3. Diskette Drive
4. Hard-Disk Drive C:
5. IDE CD-ROM Device
6. USB Flash Device
7. System Setup
8. IDE Drive Diagnostics
9. Boot to Utility Partition
Enter a Choice: 1
What steps do I need to take so I can check under hard drives to see if the USB is listed there? I don't know how to do that.
I will try to do a checksum check with powershell today. And see how that goes.
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Post by matti85 on Jun 13, 2021 11:51:35 GMT
Hi cooler, Can you explain to me how that it works if I boot from USB but don't install it. I have a newer computer (Windows Vista generation) where the one I am trying to install Linux on now is Windows XP generation. But if the Windows Vista computer would crash and/or be formatted it would be an issue. So I would have to be sure that this would not happen. I would rather not try it to avoid any risks. If I boot Bodhi Linux from USB, is there any risk for a crash like that? How can I run Windows Vista again afterwards without any data being lost? Do I have to boot again to Windows Vista? I don't understand how that works. I understood your remark about the risk of power failure. If the DELL21 computer (Windows XP generation) would become useless, the problem that I would have is that I can't install Bodhi Linux anymore. That would be more a concern to me than the computer becoming useless. I will check your info to update the BIOS on the DELL21. If that can help to increase the chances of installing Bodhi Linux through USB drive, that would be great  Thanks for all the support! |
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Post by cooler on Jun 13, 2021 12:41:01 GMT
Yes, I can confirm I changed to dd mode after selecting burn. When I go to Boot Device Menu I get these options: 1. Normal 2. Primary Master Drive 3. Diskette Drive 4. Hard-Disk Drive C: 5. IDE CD-ROM Device 6. USB Flash Device 7. System Setup 8. IDE Drive Diagnostics 9. Boot to Utility Partition Enter a Choice: 1 What steps do I need to take so I can check under hard drives to see if the USB is listed there? I don't know how to do that. I will try to do a checksum check with powershell today. And see how that goes.
You need to chose option 6 (that is USB drive).
If you want to try Bodhi on another computer when you first boot the USB drive and get a screen like below you must select option 1 (with green below):
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Post by cooler on Jun 13, 2021 13:03:36 GMT
Hi cooler, Can you explain to me how that it works if I boot from USB but don't install it. I have a newer computer (Windows Vista generation) where the one I am trying to install Linux on now is Windows XP generation. But if the Windows Vista computer would crash and/or be formatted it would be an issue. So I would have to be sure that this would not happen. I would rather not try it to avoid any risks. If I boot Bodhi Linux from USB, is there any risk for a crash like that? How can I run Windows Vista again afterwards without any data being lost? Do I have to boot again to Windows Vista? I don't understand how that works. I understood your remark about the risk of power failure. If the DELL21 computer (Windows XP generation) would become useless, the problem that I would have is that I can't install Bodhi Linux anymore. That would be more a concern to me than the computer becoming useless. I will check your info to update the BIOS on the DELL21. If that can help to increase the chances of installing Bodhi Linux through USB drive, that would be great Thanks for all the support!
Ok. When you select option 1 from my post above (try Bodhi without installing) the computer boots from your USB drive as it would be "really installed" on the USB. It actually creates a quick installation on your RAM memory. So there is NO danger at all to your computer as long as you don't start erasing things from your drive. You have acces to your hdd while in Live mode so you can see pictures, launch files.. copy/erase them, etc.
My advice for you is that even on your Dell Optiplex GX270 you should select option 1 instead of option 3 (Install Bodhi Linux). When you boot in "Live mode" you can actually see if Bodhi works for you; you can check that you have sound, LAN, etc working before proceeding with the installation. And in Live mode you have a shorctut on the desktop for installation tht you should use (for now) just on your test machine (GX270).
There are numerous videos on Youtube about Bodhi Linux 5.1 and also its step-by step guided install.
Let me know if you need extra help.
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Post by matti85 on Jun 13, 2021 19:18:55 GMT
When I choose option 6. USB Flash Device I get the message on my screen 'strike F1 to retry boot, F2 for setup utility'.
When I choose option 1. Normal Windows XP just starts up form there.
Below the results I get when I verify iso in Windows PowerShell (sha256 and md5). I downloaded all the files (iso, sha256, md5) again today and got the same results in PowerShell.
I am not sure what it means that the results don't match and what I can do about it.
Get-FileHash C:\user\Downloads\bodhi-5.1.0-legacy.iso -Algorithm SHA256 | Format-List
Hash : 5BEA1A41D44B765533E081075FA2D904A4852D0304EC33642EA715C802B83C0E
Get-FileHash C:\user\Downloads\bodhi-5.1.0-legacy.iso.sha256 -Algorithm SHA256 | Format-List
Hash : 4DF1AA7A23D2796D57A2712A929925C411958F0C7F4F303846B496D6B2BD7731
Get-FileHash C:\user\Downloads\bodhi-5.1.0-legacy.iso -Algorithm MD5 | Format-List
Hash : 0794D41B66DA69DB0AC7181F9A2636A5
Get-FileHash C:\user\Downloads\bodhi-5.1.0-legacy.iso.md5 -Algorithm MD5 | Format-List
Hash : 834D0988EFF007E4B86962EA25525336
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Post by ahen on Jun 14, 2021 1:41:19 GMT
The .sha256 and .md5 files you downloaded are just text files containing the correct hash value - so you look inside the files with a text editor like notepad; it is not useful to create a hash of the text file that already contains the hash, they won't match.
So what you do, is run the command to create (say) an SHA256 hash of the .iso file, as you have donein your example. Then open the .sha256 file you downloaded with notepad and see if the hashes match. If so, your downloaded .iso is good.
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Post by enigma9o7 on Jun 14, 2021 4:38:14 GMT
You can hope and pray bodhi 6.0 legacy comes out under 700mb so it fits on a CD, then install it from there, since it seems usb boot is not working. Earlier someone mentioned a bios update with notes specific to USB boot tho, so if you've already made sure you're on latest version, not much else I can think of for you to do. You've already confirmed you wrote it correctly, and the odds of the checksum being invalid are pretty small (there is error correction built into everything already, and I find it unlikely somebody performed a mann in the middle attack to give you fake bodhi iso), and if you test it on another PC you'll likely see it boots live just fine....
Getting more complicated if CD is your only option and bodhi is too big, there are boot CDs that can install linux from USB, and would probably work with bodhi if you were tech savy and followed directions. Alternatively there are also distros that do fit on CD, for example debian offers a net install cd iso that you can install a variety of desktops (but not moksha) from , the lightest being lxde, and its even available for their recent release candidate for debian version 11. There is also a live cd with xfce only for debian 10, but doesnt seem they have live cd (yet?) for upcoming version.
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Post by matti85 on Jun 14, 2021 16:31:33 GMT
I checked the iso verification and it is ok now. I installed the BIOS update. The BIOS update went well. Since the update of the BIOS it works when I select to boot from USB flash device. I selected to try Bodhi Linux without installing. Then I got the welcome screen. Unfortunately it worked really slow. I connected the internet connection and after a while it didn't worked anymore. So I shut down the computer and restarted again. After the restart I selected to try Bodhi Linux without installing again. Now I received following error. 'E: Efreet did not update cache. Please check your Efreet setup. Is efreetd running? Can ~ /.cache/efreet be written to?' Can these issues I have be solved with adding memory? Or is additional memory not enough to solve these issues? I don't know how adding memory works. I have never done this. Is there a limit on the amount of memory that can be added? I looked it up on a webshop and they have no memory of 512MB available. I guess because of low demand of 512MB Thanks for all the support to get Bodhi Linux installed I learned a lot in the process until today. Especially about what drivers are and how to update them. And how I can hash files to verify the iso. |
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Post by enigma9o7 on Jun 14, 2021 16:58:56 GMT
It will be faster when you actually install it. With 512mb you really can't use a browser or high-resource application in live environment effectively, because live is using some of your ram to use as disk space. That efreet error was cuz you're out of (fake) disk space, cuz you dont have enough ram for it to make enough fake disk space with. Adding memory will make it work better of course and allow more apps/tabs, but 512 is usable on an installed version of Bodhi, just not enough to use a browser very well in live session. After you install, it will be better, cuz you'll have actual disk space, so all your ram will be available for apps to load into, and all your disk will be available to write to. I have a pentium 4 2.4ghz with 512mb myself and it is perfectly usable (for one or two browser tabs max, etc...). Bodhi's installer will also create you a swap file (or you can make a swap partition if you understand that, but no need, swapfile fine for basic user) and that will give you virtual memory, so apps will have access to more than your 512mb if needed. But, that means things will swap around between memory and disk as needed... so like if you open 10 tabs, it'll be slow going back to one of the other ones cuz it has to write what you were doing to disk, and read that other thing from disk. If you stick with 1 or 2 tabs you'll all fit in memory and no swapping and nice and fast. My advice. After installation and updates as instructed, run
sudo apt install lxtask
then find "task manager" in your start menu under applications/system. Run that and keep it open and see how much memory you actually use. You'll notice some browser tabs use only like 50mb, but some (like google maps or amazon or youtube) will take 200-400mb. Btw, dont expect youtube better than 360p in a browser, but if you want 720p, there are some youtube apps that work fine without browser.
I put a 128GB SSD into my P4 not too long ago, replacing the original old slow IDE drive. That is another way (besides adding memory) to speed things up.
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Post by matti85 on Jun 14, 2021 19:48:22 GMT
I started the installation. I went through several steps. After each step it took some time before the next step. I think about a minute for waiting time for each step. I unselected to download updates wile installing Bodhi. For installation type I selected 'Erase disk and install Bodhi'. After the step 'Write changes to disk?' I selected continue and now the computer is stuck for about an hour. So there was aftter this step no continuation to the next step.
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Post by ahen on Jun 14, 2021 20:38:42 GMT
My guess is just not enough RAM (although not 100% sure). You can probably buy second hand RAM modules for that machine on eBay for very little money - if you want to use it with modern software, more is really required. That's assuming that it is possible to install more or larger modules, of course.
Edit: What is the make and model of the machine - RAM compatibility can be worked out from that usually.
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Post by cooler on Jun 15, 2021 10:55:48 GMT
Can these issues I have be solved with adding memory? Or is additional memory not enough to solve these issues? I don't know how adding memory works. I have never done this. Is there a limit on the amount of memory that can be added? I looked it up on a webshop and they have no memory of 512MB available. I guess because of low demand of 512MB
More RAM (almost) always help. You have an older type of RAM so almost 0 chances you find it new. Maybe you can find someone to donate you memory DDR (1) 333 or 400 MHZ Type. This type of equipment is candidate for donation /scrap (depending where you live).
You probably have 2 sticks of 256 MB DDR 333 Mhz (or worst case scenario 4 sticks of 128 MB in which case you have to replace some.. not worth it).
Just wanted to let you know before you try many things with the old P4. You can try Bodhi on your newer computer if it has a decent configuration by using Virtual BOX. It's less "dangerous" and more energy-efficient.
Please let us know your location and what other computer you have.
BR, Ciprian
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Post by matti85 on Jun 15, 2021 18:29:54 GMT
In the computer are 2 sticks of 256 MB DDR 400 CL3. I can take the hardware of an even older computer than the DELL21. Probably the hardware is even a lot worse than in the DELL21. At this moment I don't know yet which hardware is in it. I will try to check it out.
I live in Belgium. I have to look up the data of the newer computer. But unfortunately I can't install Bodhi Linux on it. Since the computer is not mine and there is still data on it.
Altough, I have an old laptop available. Unfortunately I can't start the original windows system up anymore on the laptop because the file system32\ntoskrnl.exe is damaged. Also for the laptop I don't know which hardware is in it.
Thanks for all the support!
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Post by cooler on Jun 16, 2021 20:32:20 GMT
Matt(hias?)
The other older PC must have the same type of memory (DDR1).
For the newer computer you don't actually install Bodhi by wiping stuff. You can install Virtual Box and from Virtualbox you create a file that acts as a "separate" hard drive on which you can install Bodhi.. or other OS-es. If you are done testing you wipe the file and uninstall Vrtualbox and the computer will be exactly the same as before.
You can write here the producer and code for the old laptop and I can tell you everything you need to know. If it can boot from USB not only you don't need to use the old Windows.. you can even backup data from that PC on other USB drives if you boot the Bodhi USB drive in Live mode.
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