riban
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Post by riban on Oct 16, 2020 10:49:39 GMT
Where do you want issues with this prealpha reported? Installation takes you through the normal Ubuntu installation steps, choosing locale and keyboard layout. You are then presented with the language selection during first login which feels like duplication of effort. This defaults to the language I selected during install (en_gb) but not the keyboard layout I had selected (English US). I am pleased that the language module is installed by default and I have an opportunity to set this correctly but it may be a better user experience to have to do it once. I observe that en_gb is the language / keyboard selected by default on the login screen which may be (I hope is) a result of the installation choices.
I am (prealpha) testing 6 on VirtualBox but came to the project because it offers lightweight 32-bit OS that I can use on my old netbooks, laptops, etc. which is a life-line. (Bodhi works better than Ubuntu Mate which I had been using until they dropped 32-bit support.) Are you planning to continue to provide 32-bit releases and if so, for how long do you reckon you will be able to support that?
With the lightweight hardware I am using it might seem to make more sense to stick with Epiphany but it doesn't work on my laptop. It rarely manages to render a page, e.g. I can't get to the app center. I just tried Firefox on the same laptop and it works although its memory footprint is huge in comparison. Midori may be a good option. It doesn't seem as bloated as Firefox, is quite feature rich and works on my poor old laptop. If Bodhi is considered a lightweight distro then it makes sense for its default applications to be lightweight. A user can install other apps as they desire. (#1 use for IE is to install Chrome on Windows!) BTW, search for "web browser" in app center does not return Firefox!
An issue persists with the prealpha: Trying to launch file manager with sudo from quick launcher fails because gksudo is passed the literal "%U" as a command line parameter.
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Post by Hippytaff on Oct 16, 2020 10:53:20 GMT
This is a good place to report any findings with the pre alpha release. Thanks 😊
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Post by thewaiter on Oct 16, 2020 11:06:52 GMT
Setting language and keyboard layout just once is a good point of course and we are aware. I brought back the wizard pages in Moksha but to be honest I havent found any clue where the ubiquity installer stores the users data. If you have this info, let me know. E or moksha has not this option and it needs to be done by new code...
Stefan
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Post by Hippytaff on Oct 16, 2020 12:00:08 GMT
I havent found any clue where the ubiquity installer stores the users data. If you have this info, let me know. E or moksha has not this option and it needs to be done by new code... Stefan I can’t seem to find any info for this. other than looking through the source, I’m not sure how we’d find it. |
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Post by thewaiter on Oct 16, 2020 12:16:49 GMT
I have an idea. Installing Bodhi and running the recovery mode first to see how is the locale saved. If I find the user settings, we won and I can add a code to the Moksha for grabbing that data. If not we are in trap. Anyway, selecting language and keyboard layout is not a real pain in ass. Not big deal. I unlocked just 2 wizard pages and others stay locked. Look at E wizard with 8-10 wizard pages. That is an annoyance...
Stefan
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Post by Hippytaff on Oct 16, 2020 13:00:53 GMT
Good plan
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Post by ylee on Oct 16, 2020 15:03:12 GMT
Where do you want issues with this prealpha reported? Installation takes you through the normal Ubuntu installation steps, choosing locale and keyboard layout. You are then presented with the language selection during first login which feels like duplication of effort. This defaults to the language I selected during install (en_gb) but not the keyboard layout I had selected (English US). I am pleased that the language module is installed by default and I have an opportunity to set this correctly but it may be a better user experience to have to do it once. I observe that en_gb is the language / keyboard selected by default on the login screen which may be (I hope is) a result of the installation choices. ... Issues can be reported here or directly to Å tefan or me. Å tefan has addressed this issue with lang selection above. He has been looking into this and I haven't taken a look. We are aware of it tho. ... I am (prealpha) testing 6 on VirtualBox but came to the project because it offers lightweight 32-bit OS that I can use on my old netbooks, laptops, etc. which is a life-line. (Bodhi works better than Ubuntu Mate which I had been using until they dropped 32-bit support.) Are you planning to continue to provide 32-bit releases and if so, for how long do you reckon you will be able to support that? ... I do plan of trying to support 32 bit on this release. No clear ideas on how I am going to do it yet. Let's just say it is complicated with Ubuntu dropping full support for 32 bit. If it were solely up to me I would drop support for 32 bit even tho I have a 32 bit netbook I use altho I use it rarely and only when traveling. But it is not solely up to me, many of users use 32 bit and that drew them to Bodhi as well as our educational fork, Escuelas Linux. Many computers in South American school systems are 32 bit and as a result Escuelas Linux needs Bodhi to fully support 32 bit. So I hope to support 32 bit for as long as Escuelas Linux needs that support. ... With the lightweight hardware I am using it might seem to make more sense to stick with Epiphany but it doesn't work on my laptop. It rarely manages to render a page, e.g. I can't get to the app center. I just tried Firefox on the same laptop and it works although its memory footprint is huge in comparison. Midori may be a good option. It doesn't seem as bloated as Firefox, is quite feature rich and works on my poor old laptop. If Bodhi is considered a lightweight distro then it makes sense for its default applications to be lightweight. A user can install other apps as they desire. (#1 use for IE is to install Chrome on Windows!) BTW, search for "web browser" in app center does not return Firefox! Epiphany not functioning correctly on your laptop is odd. Have you investigated this? Open a separate post on this issue, maybe we can figure out why. I will try to remember to take a look at the AppCenter issue of searching for web browsers. thanks for the feedback. EDIT: We are aware of the issues with open with esudo with our Quick Launcher. Sadly I have known about it for some time, just been ignoring it as it is a minor issue. I am taking a closer look at it today. |
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Post by fidoedidoe on Oct 16, 2020 18:35:04 GMT
I do plan of trying to support 32 bit on this release. No clear ideas on how I am going to do it yet. Let's just say it is complicated with Ubuntu dropping full support for 32 bit. If it were solely up to me I would drop support for 32 bit even tho I have a 32 bit netbook I use altho I use it rarely and only when traveling. But it is not solely up to me, many of users use 32 bit and that drew them to Bodhi as well as our educational fork, Escuelas Linux. Many computers in South American school systems are 32 bit and as a result Escuelas Linux needs Bodhi to fully support 32 bit. So I hope to support 32 bit for as long as Escuelas Linux needs that support. I'm very keen to see support for non x64 devices, as you mentioned so many distro's have (or are being forced to) dropping 32 bit support. It seems to me such a shame that these "fairly able" devices are being resigned to the scrap heap due to outdated / unsupported versions of OS/Software. Perhaps a maintained 32 bit variant of Bodhi can become the shining light in an every darkening 32 bit world? I'm no developer, but would be open to assisting in any capacity to ensure 32 bit support (even if it's locked into an LTS type scenario - keep it at 18.04 but create PPA's/or equiv to support newer software options as/where possible). Hopefully I'm not alone? Do you think there's value in posting a "Human Resource types/skiils needed to continue 32 bit support for Bodhi"? With a view of: if there's a enough people willing to help with the "heavy" lifting even if it's by lending a finger or two this could be viable? Like i say I'm no developer, but willing to learn and help where possible and viable. |
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Post by Hippytaff on Oct 16, 2020 18:47:24 GMT
Nope. I’m with you all the way. I’d be happy to muck in With keeping a 32bit bodhi alive.
As for posting a HR style request for hands on deck, we could do with that for what we already have. Off topic, but we could use help with documentation and Moksha theme development and other More programming based things. It couldn’t hurt to put a call out. In my experience people are not that responsive, they like the idea of helping out until it becomes laborious and time consuming lol.
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Post by fidoedidoe on Oct 17, 2020 7:08:17 GMT
Nope. I’m with you all the way. I’d be happy to muck in With keeping a 32bit bodhi alive. As for posting a HR style request for hands on deck, we could do with that for what we already have. Off topic, but we could use help with documentation and Moksha theme development and other More programming based things. It couldn’t hurt to put a call out. In my experience people are not that responsive, they like the idea of helping out until it becomes laborious and time consuming lol. Well maybe I can start with some documentation - is this for the wiki (preferred) as grew tired of web page nuances many moons ago. I can probably give a handful of hours weekly currently. Is there a schedule of work to be completed and/or example of standards to follow? Maybe in time I can take a look at more theaming / programming tasks (but currently I'm more of a bash scripter - who used to program 20 something years ago). |
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Post by Hippytaff on Oct 17, 2020 9:03:16 GMT
Same here, scripted that used to be a lot better. I let it slip lol. Well the current wiki needs an over haul. I think that is current priority when it comes to documentation. I think the devs are planning to keep 32bit for this release. So maybe start there?
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Post by ylee on Oct 17, 2020 9:34:13 GMT
... An issue persists with the prealpha: Trying to launch file manager with sudo from quick launcher fails because gksudo is passed the literal "%U" as a command line parameter. For the record gksudo has been removed from ubuntu's repo. It is not even present on BL5.0 much less BL6.0. Development on gksudo has stopped as far as I can tell, so even if I were to add it, it can not be considered secure. If security bugs are found no one is fixing them. Bodhi 5.x replaces gksudo with esudo. Basically a wrapper around the sudo -i command. Still in the instance of the Open with sudo option in our quick launcher (aka Run Everything), this is also broken in BL5.x. I have been ignoring that as it is a low priority issue and no one ever complained. Unsure even how many know you can do this. But regardless it should be fixed, so yesterday I took a look at it. The same issue persist with enlightenment, so I am unsure whether the e-devs know about it or whether they also have been ignoring it. Regardless my proposed fix for BL6.0 can be found in my BL6.0 github repo. Until I get around to setting up a Real repo for this release one can install it on BL6.0 by: sudo apt update
sudo apt install git
git clone https://github.com/rbtylee/bl6
cd bl6/moksha/moksha/
sudo apt install ./moksha_0.3.2-1_amd64.debNow log out and at the lightdm login screen switch to a tty, log in and then remove the hidden .e folder to clear all settings: rm -rf .eSwitch back to login screen and log in. Now Open with sudo should work in the Quick Launcher. Note: I have replaced the gksudo command with pkexec, as that is what should be used this days. If there are no issues with patch I will backport it to BL5.x in a few days. |
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Post by rrashkin on Oct 17, 2020 17:35:14 GMT
I downloaded the ISO for BL6 because I was curious if the problem I had with the Gateway 2in1 where the wifi was unstable/unusable would be resolved in this later kernel. Indeed it was. Hurray! Unfortunately, now the touch-pad isn't recognized. Still, that's a problem I can likely fix in the BIOS (if I can figure out which magic key takes me there) or at worst, with a USB mouse.
Otherwise, and apart from the aforementioned FF vs Epiphany, it looks very good. I'll wait until a more stable version to install but running from USB stick, it's a great version.
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Post by thewaiter on Oct 17, 2020 17:47:16 GMT
Great to hear  |
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Post by ylee on Oct 18, 2020 22:48:24 GMT
Just a quick note: Å tefan has made some tweaks to the moksha source code, so users of this ISO can update the version of moksha to the latest version on my bl6 github repo. Likewise as announced elsewhere there is a new version of evisum, so i repackaged it for BL6. You can also find it on my bl6 github repo. |
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