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Post by thewaiter on Jan 27, 2021 10:35:21 GMT
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Post by ylee on Jan 27, 2021 17:30:58 GMT
... Hello Ylee I've seen you've used EFL 1.24.3, although EFL 1.25.1 was released on 8 October (probably by reason of stability) Do you plan to release an 1.25 version (both EFL an E) in the very near future? Sorry if the answer to this question was present on current topic. ...
By Thewaiter's answer (below) to Zuul apparently there won't be any other betas or RCs. Can you please clarify? EFL in BL6 repos has been updated to EFL 1.25.1 and e in the BL6 repo is actually a few commits ahead of the last release. There will be an official beta/alpha releases. It is just to hard to predict the exact process and time frame for solving novel problems for me and I prefer to get things as right as I can. We also have other things going on some related and some not to this release. And simply put I am no hurry. Hope to have another ISO this coming month tho. Thanks for your patience
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Post by cooler on Jan 27, 2021 19:50:47 GMT
EFL in BL6 repos has been updated to EFL 1.25.1 and e in the BL6 repo is actually a few commits ahead of the last release. There will be an official beta/alpha releases. It is just to hard to predict the exact process and time frame for solving novel problems for me and I prefer to get things as right as I can. We also have other things going on some related and some not to this release. And simply put I am no hurry. Hope to have another ISO this coming month tho. Thanks for your patience
Thank you very much for your response. Patience is not my virtue.. I recently bought a powerful laptop that I initially wanted to test with the alpha; since it was a new equipment with slightly possible small defects I decided to install Bodhi 5.1.0 to be able to test the hardware part. It turns out the hardware is OK.
Please let me know with a PM how can I help you integrate the changes in a new ISO and I'll properly test the E version of Bodhi 6.0.
Looking forward for your response.
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Post by thewaiter on Jan 29, 2021 22:02:10 GMT
Hello there Today I looked at the issue reported when BL 5.1 was released. www.linuxquestions.org/questions/bodhi-92/firefox-window-overlaps-shelf-4175677220/This happened also here although I use vertical shelf. Pretty annoying. For reproducing the issue open Google Chrome (for example) maximize it, close, open again, press middle control for normal window size. The window overlaps shelf in case the shelf is set as "Below Windows". The problem was arc_green theme related. It is too complicated to explain what was wrong but try to upgrade the latest theme version from repo for bug testing. Robert is preparing the deb package in some minutes... Stefan EDIT: Robert asked me to add a new feature to the theme similar to LXQT. Focused window has the green frame around. Unfocused one is without. Enjoy
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Post by ylee on Feb 1, 2021 16:10:51 GMT
For the record, Chromium has been updated in BL6 repos to the latest version.
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Post by cooler on Feb 1, 2021 20:06:27 GMT
I've downloaded the E24 pre-alpha version and played a little with it in live mode: it only started in safe-graphics mode. I've also installed it on a Virtual BOX VM and I like it very much. The host is BL 5.1 .
I have to try to mess with Econnman for internet access but other than that it's sweet. I look forward for the updates.
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Post by ylee on Feb 1, 2021 20:43:52 GMT
the E24 version has network manager installed by default. So you really don't need to replace it with Econnman unless you want to. Enlightenment wizard on first boot checks for econnman tho and I just left it as it was. It is pure e after all.
On network manager, if you wish to see the applet in the systray you need to add it to startup programs in e settings as well as prob add a systray to a shelf somewhere.
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Post by cooler on Feb 1, 2021 22:00:48 GMT
the E24 version has network manager installed by default. So you really don't need to replace it with Econnman unless you want to. Enlightenment wizard on first boot checks for econnman tho and I just left it as it was. It is pure e after all. On network manager, if you wish to see the applet in the systray you need to add it to startup programs in e settings as well as prob add a systray to a shelf somewhere. Thanks. I was under the impression I had no network connectivity for wireless.
I added it to startup however I can't add it to a shelf... no biggie..
How can I add an execution link on desktop? I've copied the Temp desktop file and modified its name, path, icon and set it to execute but I get an error:" Enligthenment was unable to fork a child process: (null) " I was able to get it to the Ibar so it's not a big deal if I'n not able to.. I kinda learnt to live without desktop shortcuts however for other people (such as my wife) that would be more difficult.
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 1, 2021 22:20:06 GMT
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Post by cooler on Feb 1, 2021 22:45:47 GMT
Thank you for your suggestion, however I'm using E24 and the Moksha (https://www.bodhilinux.com/w/enlightenment-basics/#Desktop_Icons) it's not quite the same.
For instance there is no Desktop Icon on the Files tab of the Module settings. That's not a problem as there were already shortcuts on the desktop. Problem is the initial 3 desktop icons (Home, Root and Temp) are all "explore" links and not execution ones.
I'm using last Doublecommander (0.9.10) who's not been packaged but a "portable" variant so I have no desktop file. The version on the Ubuntu repo for this program (0.8.2) is extremely old. I could try to install a program that has an execution desktop file and then change it to point to the Doublecommander.
I think the modifications that I have done should have been enough, but I could be wrong.
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Post by ylee on Feb 2, 2021 0:27:51 GMT
Thanks. I was under the impression I had no network connectivity for wireless. I added it to startup however I can't add it to a shelf... no biggie.. How can I add an execution link on desktop? I've copied the Temp desktop file and modified its name, path, icon and set it to execute but I get an error:" Enligthenment was unable to fork a child process: (null) " I was able to get it to the Ibar so it's not a big deal if I'n not able to.. I kinda learnt to live without desktop shortcuts however for other people (such as my wife) that would be more difficult.
Ok i am unsure what you tried to add to the desktop. But a plain desktop file works there. If you added the desktop file for the nm-applet then if it is already running then it will probably fail to launch and you get that error message. As to nm-applet, I think what you are saying is you want to see that on a shelf or something. It is a systray app, so you have to load the systray module first, then add the stray to a shelf. Then the icon for nm-applet shows up there if it is running and you can interact with the usual way. If you want the network connection editor in the desktop and you are able to click it: i.imgur.com/hGpUefO.jpgHope that helps clarify.
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Post by Hippytaff on Feb 2, 2021 7:58:55 GMT
The great thing about Bodhi is it’s configurability, but there is a bit of a learning curve, as Moksha/Enlightenment are very different behind the scenes than the majority of alternatives, and the reason it can be so slick and elegant, whilst being very light. Best of both worlds...
Did I mention a pain in the butt to theme 🤔
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Post by cooler on Feb 5, 2021 15:59:13 GMT
Ok i am unsure what you tried to add to the desktop. But a plain desktop file works there. If you added the desktop file for the nm-applet then if it is already running then it will probably fail to launch and you get that error message. As to nm-applet, I think what you are saying is you want to see that on a shelf or something. It is a systray app, so you have to load the systray module first, then add the stray to a shelf. Then the icon for nm-applet shows up there if it is running and you can interact with the usual way. If you want the network connection editor in the desktop and you are able to click it: i.imgur.com/hGpUefO.jpgHope that helps clarify.
Thanks for trying to help.
From my point of view there are 3 kind of things on desktop: 2 are shortcuts and 1 is file/directory.
E24 has initial shortcut (links) that are pointers to a location on the drive. You double-click them and an explorer program opens the location in a window. Second type of links should be ones pointing to executable files that once double-clicked should open the corresponding application. I've modified an existing .desktop file and then changed its atributes and but I get that error. Doublecommander is not working so I should not get the error.
Third kind are files/directories on desktop.. I was somewhat surprised to see that you can actually copy files/directories on the desktop.
I know Bodhi lost the desktop functionality at one point.. don't remeber exactly on which version but it was not a problem for me since I don't use the desktop links anyway; however many other people do. Having shortcuts on desktop would not necessitate using the E menu which is a bit different for someone used to Windows.
I have copied the executable Doublecommander file on the desktop.. set it to execute and added an icon so I can launch it like that but no plugin is working if I do this.
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Post by ylee on Feb 6, 2021 16:16:48 GMT
I know Bodhi lost the desktop functionality at one point.. don't remeber exactly on which version but it was not a problem for me since I don't use the desktop links anyway; however many other people do. Having shortcuts on desktop would not necessitate using the E menu which is a bit different for someone used to Windows. I have copied the executable Doublecommander file on the desktop.. set it to execute and added an icon so I can launch it like that but no plugin is working if I do this.
Short version:Double Commander is a simple-minded program. It assumes everything it needs is in the same directory as the executable which you launched. If you copied the executable file from /usr/lib/doublecmd, where it is installed to your home Desktop folder, it is going to 'look' for the plugins folder there in ~/Desktop. It will fail to find them and they will not work. As you found out. There are two reasonable ways to address this issue, the best is as follows: First delete whatever you have for Double Commander on your desktop. Now open a terminal and run the two commands below: cp /usr/share/applications/doublecmd.desktop ~/Desktop sed -i 's/Exec=doublecmd %F/Exec=doublecmd ~\/ ~\/Desktop/g' doublecmd.desktop Now Double Commander will open displaying your home folder in one panel and your desktop in another. If you wish it open displaying different directories edit the line ' Exec=...' in file doublecmd.desktop displayed on your Desktop. Long version:
I am really not going to explain all this but you are not understanding linux concepts well. First of all, in the Unix tradition everything in Linux is a file. Now strictly speaking, this is not really true but lets ignore the exceptions and say everything is a file. So really there is only one thing on your desktop or any other folder and that is files. Now as you know some files can be executable so if you click on it the window managers runs the program. Now for files that are not executable if the you click on them and an application opens them either the Window Manager has associated an application with the file type and knows to open the right application for the file or the file is a special kind of file known as a desktop file. Desktop files end in .desktop and is in essence a configuration files describing how a particular program is to be launched, how it appears in menus, etc. This is a convention and many but not all window managers follow this convention. It is described in detail here. Second of all, Linux does not have any thing like Windows shortcuts. The closest thing it has is either the desktop files mentioned above or links. There are two kinds of links, hard links and symbolic links. Both links can be either either absolute or relative. Instead of placing a desktop file for Double Commander in your Desktop Folder you could have placed a symbolic link and that also would have worked. I advise for problems such as yours you use desktop files as I did as opposed to links. And third of all, you say: " I was somewhat surprised to see that you can actually copy files/directories on the desktop." I don't really understand that, what is displayed on your desktop in Enlightenment (aside from your background) with the File option set to display icons are the files in you Desktop folder, Enlightenment gadgets you add to it and possibly some programs output (like conky et al). And that is just a folder like any other in your home directory. I could have written a full fledged article to really explain all the above in some degree of depth and something more resembling a book to explain it all in detail. So i am not gonna. Google it if curious, lots already written. And the record Bodhi (as in Moksha our window manager), still has the ability to display desktop icons. We have a module for that and it is more or less like the enlightenment version.
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Post by cooler on Feb 7, 2021 8:04:06 GMT
First of all thank you for your effort in writing so much and I also want to apologize if I've not explained properly or not use the best terms (eg "pointers"). It seems I have not explained properly or you have not understood what I wrote. I realized that when you suggested I copy a desktop file that doesn't exist. I'll try to explain in brief: 1. I downloaded the portable package of Doublecommander (DC for short) from the site and decompress it (using tar -xvf doublecmd-0.9.10.gtk2.x86_64.tar.xz ) 2. I've copied the uncompressed directory to Home (I could have decompressed it directly there) 3. I've launched the program and then I've right clicked it and added it to the Ibar. 4. For having a desktop shortcuts I've thought that modifying an existing link by setting it as executable and "pointing" it to the /Home directory of DC would work; apparently it doesn't. An alternative solution that I wanted to avoid was installing the old DC 0.8.2 and then SU overwite all files with their newer version. This solution would have worked but it's not an universal solution. Not all programs are present in Ubuntu (or Bodhi) repositories nor all of them have .deb files. For a desktop file to work for a program it seems the application must be installed (so the system should be "aware" of it).
I could have tried to edit a .destop file from USR/Share of a program by modifying it for DC and then making sure it's present both on /usr/share/application and on /desktop.
Other than that for the rest of your comments Short version:Double Commander is a simple-minded program. I envoy very much simple-minded programs; most of them are awesome, don't take much RAM and have less chances of havings bugs compared to complex programs. I was fully aware of what you said before I wrote my previous post. I know that having those files is mandatory... it's just that "polluting" the desktop with them is not acceptable; that's what I actually wanted to convey (that having all contents of DC on the desktop is not acceptable). As per my above explanations this doesn't work (sorry ... I have not even attempted it) Well I don't know where I've contradicted what you said. Well I've just thougth that the .desktop files are some sort of links. I remember that at one point Jeff said basically that he has "abandoned" the desktop as a design decision. Don't remember exactly when and the old forum doesn't exist anymore to search for proof. I didn't know that Moksha has a desktop module.. as I've said I've not use shortcuts on desktop from at leat 3-4 years. Why I want to be able to do that is that I want to install Bodhi on other people's computers that I remotely manage and that usually have other distros (Zorin mostly). Best regards,
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